Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Dan O'meara]

Dear Comrade Storing,

Are you trying to say that Baker's and Truly's entering the TSBD about 30 seconds after the final shot (as suggested by Couch-Darnell) wouldn't have given Shelley and Lovelady enough time to enter the building about 20 seconds earlier and get to the area near the stairs / elevators in time for Baker to see them there?

-- Tom

In what reality do Shelley and Lovelady enter the TSBD building 10 seconds after the final shot??

[Tom Graves]

In what reality do Shelley and Lovelady enter the TSBD building 10 seconds after the final shot??

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

I said about ten seconds after the final shot.

Would you prefer three minutes?

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

I said about ten seconds after the final shot.

Would you prefer three minutes?

-- Tom

Dear Comrade Jerkov,

I what reality do Shelley and Lovelady enter the TSBD building ABOUT 10 seconds after the final shot?
What are you waffling on about?
My guess is that you are either high or you've not been reading the posts you are replying to.

[Dan O'meara]

Mr. BAKER - As I entered that depository building, I was--people were running toward you, I don't know whether they worked there or whether they were just trying to get out of the way.
Mr. DULLES - From inside the building?
Mr. BAKER - No; from the street in. As I ran in I was pushing them aside and running through them, and some way, Mr. Truly got from my back to my front.
Now, he said he was right behind me. I never did see him until I got in and asked the question of where the stairs was, so evidently whenever I went in the door why he came on in. There were several people coming in as I, you know, came in, there were several in front of me and also around my sides and my back. And it seemed to me like a double door deal.

There were "several people" entering the front door as Baker entered.
One of these people was Truly.
It was at this moment that Shelley and Lovelady passed by Baker in the lobby and entered the main room of the first floor while Baker was interacting with Truly.
Baker, Truly, Shelley and Lovelady entered the building at pretty much the same time, around 30 - 40 seconds after the final shot.

[Royell Storing]

Mr. BAKER - As I entered that depository building, I was--people were running toward you, I don't know whether they worked there or whether they were just trying to get out of the way.
Mr. DULLES - From inside the building?
Mr. BAKER - No; from the street in. As I ran in I was pushing them aside and running through them, and some way, Mr. Truly got from my back to my front.
Now, he said he was right behind me. I never did see him until I got in and asked the question of where the stairs was, so evidently whenever I went in the door why he came on in. There were several people coming in as I, you know, came in, there were several in front of me and also around my sides and my back. And it seemed to me like a double door deal.

There were "several people" entering the front door as Baker entered.
One of these people was Truly.
It was at this moment that Shelley and Lovelady passed by Baker in the lobby and entered the main room of the first floor while Baker was interacting with Truly.
Baker, Truly, Shelley and Lovelady entered the building at pretty much the same time, around 30 - 40 seconds after the final shot.

    Expanding Officer Baker's entrance into the TSBD to 40 seconds is a good start to remedy your Tick-Tock issue. Now you gotta explain just how ALL of these people forced their way through the TSBD Front Door at the same time. That is just a glass door. It is not the Skull Island Gates/"King Kong" (1933). On top of that, the landing in front of the glass door was narrow'er on 11/22/63. And then on top of that, if you open that glass door ALL the way, Buell Frazier would have to move from standing out in front of it. When wide open, that glass door extended ALL the way to the outer edge of the landing. 

[Dan O'meara]

    Expanding Officer Baker's entrance into the TSBD to 40 seconds is a good start to remedy your Tick-Tock issue. Now you gotta explain just how ALL of these people forced their way through the TSBD Front Door at the same time. That is just a glass door. It is not the Skull Island Gates/"King Kong" (1933). On top of that, the landing in front of the glass door was narrow'er on 11/22/63. And then on top of that, if you open that glass door ALL the way, Buell Frazier would have to move from standing out in front of it. When wide open, that glass door extended ALL the way to the outer edge of the landing.

Royel, Royell, Royell...
You really must read the posts concerning the issue under discussion.
Firstly, I think it's just good manners to do that. If you're involved in a discussion you should make an effort to be aware of what's actually being said in that discussion. And, secondly, it would just save me so much time having to go over the same information time and time again trying to remedy your constant misinterpretations, misunderstandings and misrepresentations.

Here is the initial timeline I posted a few replies ago:

Last shot

0 - 10 seconds
Gloria is racing towards the TSBD building. Shelley runs across to the 'island'. Lovelady stays put. Baker is on his bike heading for the TSBD building. Adams is in motion

10 - 20 seconds
Gloria meets Shelley at the island and makes her way to the front steps followed by Shelley. Baker pulls up and dismounts. Lovelady stays put as Gloria runs towards him. Adams reaches the top of the stairs.

20 - 30 seconds
Baker races past Truly and makes his way up the front steps. As he enters the lobby he is followed by Shelley, Lovelady and Truly. Adams racing down stairs.

30 - 40 seconds
Baker and Truly have their interaction in the lobby. Shelley and Lovelady make their way directly through the lobby and start to cross the first floor. Adams is still on the stairs.

40 - 50 seconds
Shelley and Lovelady are near the elevators. Adams races past them and calls out about the President before leaving through the back door. Truly and Baker have just entered the first floor from the lobby.

50 - 60 seconds
Baker and Truly arrive at the elevators. Shelley and Lovelady have split up and are trying to act as if nothing is happening. Adams and Styles are outside, racing towards the railroad tracks.

Expanding Officer Baker's entrance into the TSBD to 40 seconds is a good start to remedy your Tick-Tock issue.
I have not expanded Baker's entrance into the building to 40 seconds.
Baker's entrance is around the 30 second mark.
At 40 seconds he is interacting with Truly in the lobby.
(Read the post again and pay attention this time)
You seem to imagine there is a "tick tock issue" but you never specify what it is.
Analyse the timeline I've presented and spell out why you believe there is an issue with the timings.
All you've done so far is come up with the ludicrous argument that imagines the first floor is a wide open, empty space which you've wisely dropped.

But now we have this gem...

Now you gotta explain just how ALL of these people forced their way through the TSBD Front Door at the same time.

I literally can't believe you've asked this question.
It really has blown my mind.
In the post you are responding to...THE POST YOU ARE RESPONDING TO...Baker answers this very question in detail.
In his WC testimony he literally states that "There were several people coming in as I...came in". He goes on to say, "there were several in front of me and also around my sides and my back".
It's not my problem that you can't visualise a number of people entering through a doorway around the same time.
In your mind you seem to be imagining all four men stood side-by-side, shoulder-to-shoulder, trying to enter the door at exactly the same moment. Do you live in some kind of cartoon world?
According to you, this is the big problem with the timeline I'm putting forward but, like your nonsense about the empty first floor, it's not a "tick tock issue", as you put it.

If all you can come up with are Tom and Jerry arguments against the timeline I'm presenting, isn't it time to consider that I might be on to something?
The timeline I'm presenting, unlike anyone else's, is supported by the Dillard pic, The Stroud document, The Darnell footage, the WC testimonies of Adams, Baker, Truly, Molina,  and the initial affidavits of Shelley and Lovelady.
It also makes sense of the lies Shelley and Lovelady told the WC.

[Royell Storing]

Royel, Royell, Royell...
You really must read the posts concerning the issue under discussion.
Firstly, I think it's just good manners to do that. If you're involved in a discussion you should make an effort to be aware of what's actually being said in that discussion. And, secondly, it would just save me so much time having to go over the same information time and time again trying to remedy your constant misinterpretations, misunderstandings and misrepresentations.

Here is the initial timeline I posted a few replies ago:

Last shot

0 - 10 seconds
Gloria is racing towards the TSBD building. Shelley runs across to the 'island'. Lovelady stays put. Baker is on his bike heading for the TSBD building. Adams is in motion

10 - 20 seconds
Gloria meets Shelley at the island and makes her way to the front steps followed by Shelley. Baker pulls up and dismounts. Lovelady stays put as Gloria runs towards him. Adams reaches the top of the stairs.

20 - 30 seconds
Baker races past Truly and makes his way up the front steps. As he enters the lobby he is followed by Shelley, Lovelady and Truly. Adams racing down stairs.

30 - 40 seconds
Baker and Truly have their interaction in the lobby. Shelley and Lovelady make their way directly through the lobby and start to cross the first floor. Adams is still on the stairs.

40 - 50 seconds
Shelley and Lovelady are near the elevators. Adams races past them and calls out about the President before leaving through the back door. Truly and Baker have just entered the first floor from the lobby.

50 - 60 seconds
Baker and Truly arrive at the elevators. Shelley and Lovelady have split up and are trying to act as if nothing is happening. Adams and Styles are outside, racing towards the railroad tracks.

Expanding Officer Baker's entrance into the TSBD to 40 seconds is a good start to remedy your Tick-Tock issue.
I have not expanded Baker's entrance into the building to 40 seconds.
Baker's entrance is around the 30 second mark.
At 40 seconds he is interacting with Truly in the lobby.
(Read the post again and pay attention this time)
You seem to imagine there is a "tick tock issue" but you never specify what it is.
Analyse the timeline I've presented and spell out why you believe there is an issue with the timings.
All you've done so far is come up with the ludicrous argument that imagines the first floor is a wide open, empty space which you've wisely dropped.

But now we have this gem...

Now you gotta explain just how ALL of these people forced their way through the TSBD Front Door at the same time.

I literally can't believe you've asked this question.
It really has blown my mind.
In the post you are responding to...THE POST YOU ARE RESPONDING TO...Baker answers this very question in detail.
In his WC testimony he literally states that "There were several people coming in as I...came in". He goes on to say, "there were several in front of me and also around my sides and my back".
It's not my problem that you can't visualise a number of people entering through a doorway around the same time.
In your mind you seem to be imagining all four men stood side-by-side, shoulder-to-shoulder, trying to enter the door at exactly the same moment. Do you live in some kind of cartoon world?
According to you, this is the big problem with the timeline I'm putting forward but, like your nonsense about the empty first floor, it's not a "tick tock issue", as you put it.

If all you can come up with are Tom and Jerry arguments against the timeline I'm presenting, isn't it time to consider that I might be on to something?
The timeline I'm presenting, unlike anyone else's, is supported by the Dillard pic, The Stroud document, The Darnell footage, the WC testimonies of Adams, Baker, Truly, Molina,  and the initial affidavits of Shelley and Lovelady.
It also makes sense of the lies Shelley and Lovelady told the WC.

   If Baker enters the TSBD in 30 seconds, and there are people behind him, in front of him, and to the sides of him, how does he converse with Truly, make it through the lobby and then cross the 1st Floor in only 30 additional seconds? He doesn't. Plus, you claim that Baker can Not see Lovelady and Shelley crossing the same 1st Floor in front of him, due to the 1st Floor being cluttered. This means that Baker and Truly are not crossing the floor inna straight line. This only increases the time it took them to navigate their way across the floor. I also believe you do not appreciate how large the footprint of the TSBD is. Crossing a floor is a good walk, especially if the floor is cluttered and Baker has to follow Truly as he zig-zags across it. 30 seconds to go from the TSBD front door, talk with Truly, fight their way through the throng all around them in the lobby, and then navigate across the entire 1st floor is too quick.