Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Dan O'meara]

Dear Danny Boy O'meara,

Shelley’s and Lovelady’s early “running towards the limo” claims could be taken to mean that they ended up on the “little, old island” about 30 feet from the steps in the direction of limo.  If so, they may have intercepted “bellowing” TSBD employee Gloria Calvery there as she was running towards the TSBD steps, and it's reasonable to assume that she informed them there that JFK had been shot. If such was the case, Shelley and Lovelady may very well have started running down Elm Street Extension towards the railway yard at that point (pardon the pun), as is suggested by the actions of the slender, suit-wearing “Shelley” figure and the distinctive-shirt-wearing (and bald-spot-sporting!) “Lovelady” figure about 25 seconds after the final shot in Couch-Darnell.

-- Tom

You've missed the point of the post, thomas (a favourite strategy of yours)
I was just outlining how the lies Lovelady told about his movements in the immediate aftermath of the assassination, evolved.
1] He started out staying on the steps before re-entering the building
2] He ran to where the limo stopped and stayed in that area for 5 minutes.
3] He went to the island AFTER Gloria, then down to the railroad yard etc., taking about 5 minutes to get back inside.
4] He didn't go back inside for 20 minutes.

There is no doubt he is lying about his movements (why would he be lying about his movements).
That was the point of the post.
Your desperate attempt to keep your dead theory afloat is no great surprise. Your interpretation of the evidence is laughable.
Why do you refer to Gloria as "bellowing"?

[Tom Graves]

You've missed the point of the post, thomas (a favourite strategy of yours)

Have you always been paranoiac, danny boy?

I was just outlining how the lies Lovelady told about his movements in the immediate aftermath of the assassination, evolved:

1] He started out staying on the steps before re-entering the building
2] He ran to where the limo stopped and stayed in that area for 5 minutes.
3] He went to the island after Gloria, then down to the railroad yard etc., taking about 5 minutes to get back inside.
4] He didn't go back inside for 20 minutes.

Why would Lovelady be lying about his movements?

The evil, evil "sham" Warren Commission, or the evil, evil CIA, or the evil, evil [fill in the blank] must have made him do it, right?

That was the point of the post.

I know it was, danny Boy o'meara.

Why do you refer to Gloria as "bellowing"?

Didn't Buell Wesley Frazier say she was "bellowing," or "howling," or "growling," or words to that effect?

[Dan O'meara]

Have you always been paranoiac, danny boy?

The evil, evil "sham" Warren Commission, or the evil, evil CIA, or the evil, evil [fill in the blank] must have made him do it, right?

I know it was, danny Boy o'meara.

Didn't Buell Wesley Frazier say she was "bellowing," or "howling," or "growling," or words to that effect?

It's good to see you agree Lovelady lied about his movements.
Frazier refers to a "low kind of hollering".

[Tom Graves]

It's good to see you agree Lovelady lied about his movements.

Nice trolling, danny Boy o'meara.

If Lovelady and Shelley lied about their movements, who made them do it?

The evil, evil "sham" Warren Commission, the evil, evil CIA, or the evil, evil [fill in the blank]?

Regaardless, do you still think the balding guy who's pivoting out of Baker's way about 25 seconds after the final shot in Darnell is William Shelley?

[Dan O'meara]

Nice trolling, danny Boy o'meara.

High praise indeed from this forum's #1 troll

If Lovelady and Shelley lied about their movements, who made them do it?

The evil, evil "sham" Warren Commission, the evil, evil CIA, or the evil, evil [fill in the blank]?

I don't understand the question.
Why do you think they were "made" to do it?
Why don't you explain why they lied about their movements after the assassination?
All I've done is demonstrate, beyond any reasonable doubt, that they did indeed lie about their movements after the assassination.
The only possible reason they had for doing this (as far as I can see) is to cover up the fact that immediately after the assassination both men made their way toward the back of the first floor where they were seen by Adams and Baker seconds after the assassination.
The question then becomes - why would they want to cover up their presence near the first floor elevators about 60 seconds after the assassination?

Regaardless, do you still think the balding guy who's pivoting out of Baker's way about 25 seconds after the final shot in Darnell is William Shelley?

I'm not like you, thomas. I don't change my opinion just to try and 'score a point'. My opinion is based on, what I regard to be, the most reasonable interpretation of the evidence.
At no point have I changed my mind about the identification of Shelley in Darnell. It fits perfectly with the identification of Lovelady on the steps.
Your ability to see bald spots and receding hairlines in such poor images is as laughable as everything else you've offered up in this thread. Almost every single piece of evidence related to this aspect of the case points away from your 'it looks like Lovelady to me' approach to the evidence. But here you are, still trollin' along 
                                                                               

[Tom Graves]

All I've done is demonstrate, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Shelley and Lovelady did indeed lie about their movements after the assassination.

You must be very proud of yourself!

The only possible reason they had for lying (as far as I can see) is to cover up the fact that immediately after the assassination both men made their way toward the back of the first floor where they were seen by Adams and Baker seconds after the assassination.

Why, then, don't you have the walking/running "Shelley" and "Lovelady" figures in Couch/Darnell be them?

Gotta have Calvery bellowing the news to Lovelady on the front steps 25 seconds after the final shot and with receding-hairline "Shelley" hovering nearby?

The question then becomes - why would they want to cover up their presence near the first-floor elevators about 60 seconds after the assassination?

Ah ha!

They must have been part of the conspiracy!!!

At no point have I changed my mind about the identification of Shelley in Darnell.

Why does your "Shelley" have a receding hairline like Ochus V. Campbell?

It fits perfectly with the identification of Lovelady on the steps.

Huh?

[Tom Graves]

I was just outlining how the lies Lovelady told about his movements in the immediate aftermath of the assassination evolved:

1) He stayed on the steps until he reentered the building.
 
2) He ran to where the limo stopped and stayed in that area for 5 minutes. [emphasis added by T.G.]

3) He went to the island after Gloria Calvery ran up to the steps and told him JFK had been shot, then he and Shelley down to the railroad yard, taking about 5 minutes to get back inside.

4] He didn't go back inside for 20 minutes.

Dear danny Boy o'meara,

You really need to read Lovelady's two affidavits / reports again.

Here they are:

Lovelady’s first affidavit (to the Dallas Police Department) on 11/22/63:

I work at Texas School Book Depository at 411 Elm. On Friday November 22nd, 1963, I worked on the 6th floor along with Danny Arce, Jack Dougherty, Bill Shelley, Charles Givens. When the President came by Bill Shelly and I were standing on the steps in front of the building where I work. After he had passed by and was about 50 yards past us, I heard three shots. There was a slight pause after the first shot then the next two were right close together. I could not tell where the shots came from but sounded like they were across the street from us. However, that could have been caused by the echo. After it was over we went back into the building and took some police officers up to search the building. Our lunch period is from 12 to 12:45PM. All of us had left the sixth floor to see the President.

. . . . . . .

Excerpt from Lovelady’s 11/22/63 FBI report later that day:

On November 22nd, 1963, Lovelady and his foreman, Bill Shelley, were standing on the front doorstep at 411 Elm Street at about 12:30 PM watching the presidential motorcade pass. At about this time he heard three shots. At first, he thought it was a firecracker or the backfire of a motorcycle. He could not tell from which direction the shots came. He said immediately after hearing the shots he and Shelly started running towards the presidential car, but it sped away west on Elm Street under the triple underpass. He and Shelley then returned to the Texas School Book Depository building. During this time he saw no one run out of the building or saw any suspicious individuals.

. . . . . . .

Questions for danny Boy o'meara:

What in the heck is "after it was over" supposed to mean? After what was over?

Did Lovelady say that he / they actually ran down to where the limo stopped and stayed in that area for five minutes?

Really?

-- Tom