Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

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Near the beginning of this footage, the camera pans across to briefly capture the front steps of the TSBD building.
Around 2017 Tom Graves and Sandy Larsen identified Gloria Calvery and a colleague (most likely Karan Hicks), at the steps.
Gloria is wearing a black headscarf, has her back to the camera and appears to be interacting with a bald man, stood higher upon the steps and facing her.
This man is Billy Lovelady.



The image above is taken 25 - 30 seconds after the headshot.
In his affidavit, taken a couple of hours after the shooting, Lovelady states he was on the front steps at the time of the shooting and that "after it was over we went back into the building."
No mention of him moving from the steps.
In his WC testimony he states he was on the steps when Gloria came running up and told him that the President had been shot. This is the moment we are witnessing in the image above.

A close examination of the GIF below (created by Chris Davidson, watch full screen and quarter speed), we see Karan Hicks (the woman in white) arriving at the steps and starting to climb them. She appears to have her arm linked with Gloria. As she climbs the steps, she seems to be briefly halted by the stationary figure of Gloria as she tells Lovelady, and others on the steps, about the shooting. Bill Shelley, returning from the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets, has his back to the camera as he takes a couple of large strides towards the steps before turning to his left and we see him in profile -
“I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. The girl’s name is Gloria Calvery who is an employee of this same building. I went back to the building...”
                                                                              [Shelley - affidavit 22nd Nov]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vobiYYwTLsuR63NZ0vX9ytxXNjlW4g8D/view?pli=1

The important aspect of Darnell is that it shows Lovelady on the steps, interacting with Gloria, as Baker arrives at the front steps.
This reveals that both Lovelady and Shelley lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.
They were truthful in the very first statements they gave, but were quickly making up ever-changing stories until the version they settled on for the Warren Commission Sham.
After the shooting, Shelley ran across to the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets where he met Gloria coming the other way. Gloria was crying and told him the President had been shot. As they were making their way to the TSBD building Gloria approached Officer Joe Marshall Smith and told him that someone was shooting at the President from the bushes - "she was in hysterics" Smith recalls.
At the steps Gloria told Lovelady and the others about the shooting. Immediately after this Shelley and Lovelady entered the building through the front door and made their way to the back of the first floor where they were seen by Vicki Adams as she raced outside. They were the two white men that Baker saw in this area as he and Truly were making their way to the elevators.


I'm not sure where Gloria was located... or what she might have seen... but this image from the Elsie Dorman Film needs to be considered regarding her comment about the president being shot at "from the bushes."




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I'm not sure where Gloria was located... or what she might have seen... but this image from the Muchmore Film needs to be considered regarding her comment about the president being shot at "from the bushes."





    The above refers to what the "hysterical" lady said to DPD Officer Smith. Nobody knows the identity of this woman. I do believe there is something to what this "hysterical" woman told Officer Smith. If you look at the Bill Newman affidavit filed that same day, he said, "I thought the shot had come from The Garden directly behind me, that it was on an Elevation from where I was as I was right on the curb". When Newman says, "The Garden", I take that to mean the bushes that stretch down the Elm St Ext. Those bushes are not "directly" behind Newman, but they are behind him and that area is on higher ground than his position on the Elm St curb. I believe both Bill Newman and that "hysterical" lady were referencing this same area. 
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Above we see the moment Gloria Calvery tells Lovelady, and others on the front steps, that JFK has been shot.
This image was captured approximately 30 seconds after the head shot.
Baker is just arriving near the bottom of the steps.
Shelley has just arrived back at the steps after his run across to the concrete spur where he bumped into Gloria coming the other way.
Truly is still out in the street and is about to turn around.
Karan Hicks climbs the steps.

On another thread, Tom asks - "How did Billy Lovelady mistake 30 seconds for three minutes?"
He might also ask, "How come Shelley made exactly the same mistake?"

However, it is easily argued that it was months later, there was a lot of confusion etc., etc. and it's just a coincidence that both men made the same mistake (just as both men made exactly the same 'mistake' when they forgot to mention their jaunt down the Elm Street extension, hanging around near the railroad yard and entering the west door of the TSBD building in their affidavits).
The aspect of their testimonies that reveals both men are lying, and not just constantly mistaken, is the sequence of events both men testify to.
In their WC testimonies, both men testify that:

1] They are both on the front steps when the shots occur.

2] They remain on the steps until Gloria comes running up and tells everyone about the shooting. This directly contradicts Shelley's affidavit where he states that he ran across the street where he met Gloria. In his WC he states that, after the shots, "I didn't do anything for a minute".

3] Both men testify it took Gloria 3 minutes to reach the steps. Rather than just accept what the witness is telling him, Ball points out that, "Three minutes is a long time". Why does Ball think Lovelady is overestimating how long it took Gloria to reach the steps? We know from Darnell that this 3 minute estimation is utter nonsense.

4] After listening to Gloria both men head across the Elm St Ext to the concrete spur (which both men refer to as a "little, old island", even though it's not an island). They stay here for a minute or so. Both men testify that it takes at least 4 minutes before they start on their trip along the Elm St Ext to the railroad yard.

5] Both men testify that it is after leaving the steps, after Gloria has told them about the shooting, that they turn around and see Baker and Lovelady about to enter the TSBD building. It is this detail that reveals the obvious lie. Darnell reveals that Baker arrives at the steps while Lovelady is still stood on them listening to Gloria. Shelley is stood near the bottom of the steps when Baker almost runs into him. It is one thing for both men to get the time estimates so incredibly wrong, it is quite another for both men to remember things that didn't happen.


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      You all claim to have "evidence" supporting your Calvery story, yet here we have several different stories. The newest version has Shelley leaving the steps and Calvery telling him out in the street what has happened to JFK. Shen then runs to the bottom of the steps and "hollers" the horrific details up at Frazier. And then there's the version where Shelley and Lovelady Never walked up the Elm St Ext. They both simply entered the TSBD through the front door. This is what happens when stories/timelines are based on speculation. This all started with the simple story of Calvery running to the bottom of the TSBD Steps and telling Shelley and Lovelady about the condition of JFK. But like a fish story that has been told numerous times, this fish has now grown several fold.  Please submit some real Evidence meriting research. I'd like to look into this.
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« Reply #52 on: Yesterday at 11:49:41 PM »
The newest version has Shelley leaving the steps and Calvery telling him out in the street what has happened to JFK. She then runs to the bottom of the steps and "hollers" the horrific details up at Frazier.


I would be more accurate to say that Shelley (who had been "best man" at Calvery's wedding) and maybe his sidekick, Lovelady, saw (and heard!!!) Calvery as she was bawling like a dying calf in a thunderstorm and running up Elm Street towards the TSBD, and he/they decided to intercept her at or near the "island" to find out what the heck had traumatized her so badly.

Do you have a problem with that?

Who said that her audience on the steps consisted solely of Buell Wesley Frazier, anyway?

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The next version [according to Dan O'Meara] is where Shelley and Lovelady never walked up the Elm Street Extension. They both simply entered the TSBD through the front door.

Okay.

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This is what happens when stories/timelines are based on speculation.

You mean like your grandiose HUGE GATES CT?

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This all started with the simple story of Calvery's running to the bottom of the TSBD Steps and telling Shelley and Lovelady about the condition of JFK. But like a fish story that has been told numerous times, this fish has now grown several-fold.

It's called progress, Comrade Storing.
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      You all claim to have "evidence" supporting your Calvery story, yet here we have several different stories. The newest version has Shelley leaving the steps and Calvery telling him out in the street what has happened to JFK. Shen then runs to the bottom of the steps and "hollers" the horrific details up at Frazier. And then there's the version where Shelley and Lovelady Never walked up the Elm St Ext. They both simply entered the TSBD through the front door. This is what happens when stories/timelines are based on speculation. This all started with the simple story of Calvery running to the bottom of the TSBD Steps and telling Shelley and Lovelady about the condition of JFK. But like a fish story that has been told numerous times, this fish has now grown several fold.  Please submit some real Evidence meriting research. I'd like to look into this.

I accept Tom's identification of Calvery on the steps but I believe Darnell shows Gloria talking to Lovelady whereas Tom does not.
It's two different theories.
That's why you're getting confused.
And don't think you've escaped regarding your nonsense about Smith.
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I accept Tom's identification of Calvery on the steps but I believe Darnell shows Gloria talking to Lovelady whereas Tom does not.
It's two different theories.
That's why you're getting confused.
And don't think you've escaped regarding your nonsense about Smith.

    There is absolutely No Evidence connecting Calvery to Officer Smith. Everything provided thus far is Speculation. This is why you are calling them "Theories". A Freudian slip on your part.

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Correction: the pics are from the Elsie Dorman film...

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