Why I Believe in the JFKA Conspiracy

[Jarrett Smith]

Here we have the x-rays, photo and a film frame of the wound on JFK's head. What more do we need?

But conspiracists simply don't want to believe it; it contradicts their conspiracy belief. So they want to believe ER doctors who admit they weren't sure, their view of the wound was rushed and in an extreme and confused situation.

Meanwhile we're supposed to ignore all of this.

Exact area Tom Robinson said was blown out and covered with a piece of rubber.

[Lance Payette]

Dear Lance,

Do you find assuming things for the sake of argument is a real hoot?

-- Tom

Lawyers do this all the time. When we know we have a winner, we often concede the opponent's facts. I don't know how many motions for summary judgment and other types of motions I've written that that begin "Assuming, arguendo ..." (which means "for the sake of argument"). Assuming the opponent's facts arguendo means they are assumed only for purposes of the particular motion and do not lock the movant (me) into them at trial.

Because the LN narrative is not my religion, and unlike you I don't think the KGB is controlling my thoughts with mysterious satellite beams, I find it both interesting and useful to try to think through the various conspiracy theories assuming, arguendo, they are true. When I do, a tight Mafia conspiracy is about the only one that is halfway plausible. One then has to make the connection between Oswald and the Mafia in a plausible way, which Orr fails to. His theory is that Oswald was recruited, if that's the word, by Marcello through Dutz Murret and that Oswald knowingly but reluctantly went along because Marcello made him the proverbial offer he couldn't refuse.

[Tom Graves]

Unlike you, I don't think the KGB is controlling my thoughts with mysterious satellite beams.

Ignorance about the disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations the KGB* has waged against us and our NATO allies since 1959 seems to be your specialty, Fancy-Pants Lance.

And I give you The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx").

*Today's SVR and FSB

[Tim Nickerson]

Well, no one ever asked, but then I live in rural Thailand.

At bottom, it comes down to this:

(Gov.) Connally: "I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)"

My layman's read on the Z-film is JFK is struck ~Z-209, when he "goes behind" the Stemmons Freeway sign, from the perspective of the film.

Connally's testimony is that he heard the first shot, looked over his own right shoulder (and is seen in Z-film facing backwards), could not see JFK, then turned forward to begin to look over his left shoulder, but was interrupted by the second shot, one that he did not hear (accurately, as the bullet traveled more quickly than sound).

We see Connally pushed forward ~Z-295, about 4.5 seconds after JFK appears to have been shot.

The third shot struck JFK at Z-313.

Thus, JFK is shot perhaps one second after Connally was shot. That is too rapid a sequence to have been accomplished by a lone-gunman armed with a single-shot bolt-action rifle.

Witness testimony (as anyone who worked the courts knows) is very iffy. But there is a tendency to believe someone who says what happened to them after they were shot in the back.

Could Connally have been shot at the same time as JFK, and then 4.5 seconds later is pushed forward for some reason, but only believes he had been impacted by a bullet at that later time? Seems like a stretch. What else would push him forward? That is not an illusion; it is seem in the Z-film.

Some have argued that bullets do not push victims in a direction, and indeed many hunters will tell you that often deer just slump to he ground after being shot.

True, bullets that do not meet resistance are sometimes seen to pass through the body, without moving the body much.

However, Dr. Robert Shaw, who worked on Connally at Parkland, testified before the WC:

Dr. SHAW. The bullet, in passing through the Governor’s chest wall struck the fifth rib at its midpoint and roughly followed the slanting direction of the fifth rib, shattering approximately 10 cm. of the rib.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/pdf/WH6_Shaw.pdf

The bullet that struck the Governor traveled along and shattered the rib, meeting resistance, and pushing Connally forward. The bullet also punctured Connally's lung.

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There are as many narratives of the JFKA as there are narrators, including endless theories about the true perps.

I do not know who were the true perps, though I suspect a very small conspiracy, possibly just two people and Lee Harvey Oswald.

As LHO's confederates were never apprehended, captivating theories have been fabricated, including the CIA, Mafia, KGB, LBJ, G-2, anti-Castro exiles, and others as the true perps, leading up to the very highest levels of government and enterprise.

Almost inevitably, the ideology drives the agenda, and the agenda drives the JFKA narrative. Tehran stooges and anti-Semitic crackpots are recently promoting the "Mossad did it" narratives on the JFKA.

However...WC supporters should keep in mind the HSCA did come down on the side of that there was a conspiracy in the JFKA. And WC bashers should remember the HSCA concluded LHO fired the lethal shots on 11/22. 

Someday I will post my "Vatican Perped the JFJA" narrative. It will show how easy it is to put together a narrative based on "facts" and motives, and circumstantial evidence.

I do not believe the Vatican had anything to do with the JFKA.

Who was behind the JFKA? I am not sure.

You say that JFK is struck ~Z-209. Examine the GIF below and describe what you see in it. That is, describe the movements of both JFK and Connally.

[Benjamin Cole]

Thanks for your collegial comments.

I have not read Orr's analysis, but I will give it a whirl.

Certainly LHO acted like a guilty or framed party in the immediate post-JFKA moments and minutes.

My suspicion is that he was involved in the JFKA, although who can say how, with any degree of certainty?

The HSCA, full of smart and skeptical people, concluded there had been a JFKA conspiracy, but that LHO fired the lethal shots. Maybe so.

I wonder if LHO did a repeat of his Walker evening (IMHO), and fired, but intentionally to miss. That would explain the three missed shots on 11/22 seen by many witnesses (one striking the asphalt behind the limo, one striking the Elm St. adjacent manhole cover, and another near Tague).

I lean towards a second gunsel behind the limo, perhaps, as you say, on the Dal-Tex roof, or elsewhere on TSBD6.

Then the GK smoke-and-bang show, which was possibly a diversion.

As stated, in my view, the JFKA conspiracy was very small, possibly even just Herminio Diaz and Eladio Del Valle. Del Valle was a pol back in Cuba, thus likely somewhat polished, able to speak to LHO, win his confidence.

As for "professional hit man"--well maybe. What the horrible Trump assassination attempt (missed by an inch), and the equally horrible Kirk assassination show is that relative amateurs with rifles are very dangerous. JFK was moving, but nearly in a straight line away from the TSBD/Dal-Rex buildings.

Anyone reasonably familiar with a rifle could have perped the deed. But not a lone gunman with a single-shot bolt-action rifle.

IMHO, caveat emptor, and draw your conclusions.


 

[Benjamin Cole]

Tim-

Thanks for your collegial question.

My best guess is JFK has just been struck, and Jackie is beginning to react, ~Z-209.

Connally is also beginning to react---to the sound of a gunshot, and a sense it may have struck nearby.

After this, JBC does a 180-degree turn in his seat to try to see JFK---not really possible after being shot through the chest, no?

JBC describes himself as being immediately incapacitated by the bullet that struck him. That's believable. 

JBC describes himself as being pushed forward by the shot that struck him---that happens ~Z-295.

That's my read of the Z-film.

IMHO, caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusons.

[Tom Graves]

My best guess is JFK has just been struck, and Jackie is beginning to react, ~Z-209.

Connally is also beginning to react---to the sound of a gunshot, and a sense it may have struck nearby.

After this, JBC does a 180-degree turn in his seat to try to see JFK---not really possible after being shot through the chest, no?

JBC describes himself as being immediately incapacitated by the bullet that struck him. That's believable. 

JBC describes himself as being pushed forward by the shot that struck him---that happens ~Z-295.

That's my read of the Z-film.

Some people have been known to do "strange" things after they've been shot in the back.

John Connally was a large man.

No vital organs were hit.

He said it felt as though he'd been hit with a fist.

BFD.

(Pardon my German)

Having already exhibited a startle reaction to Oswald's first, missing-everything shot which had occurred two seconds earlier, Connally started turning to his right around Z-163 to catch a glimpse of JFK over his right shoulder, but by Z-168 JFK had turned his head to his far right and had raised his right forearm to wave to the folks who were waving at and/or calling out, "Hi, Mr. President!," to him, and JBC couldn't "see" his face. So, he started turning to his left to try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his left shoulder, but was nailed by CE-399 we he was only halfway there.

In other words, you're off on Connally's "turn to his right to see if JFK was okay" by about three seconds.

Regardless, why can't you accept the fact that a psychologically disturbed, self-described former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator killed JFK to Advance The Dialectic and / or because he wasn't getting any from (probable KGB* agent) Marina by firing three shots at him over 10.2 seconds in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza?

Is it because you have a deep psychological need to believe that some evil, evil Southern Oilmen or the evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex or an evil, evil "Deep State" did it?

You do realize, don't you, that that's what the KGB* has been trying (with great success!) to get us to believe for sixty-two years, now, through the likes of "useful idiots" (or worse) Joachim Joesten, Thomas G. Buchanan, Richard Popkin, Mark Lane, Tink Thompson, Jim Garrison, Oliver Stone, Roger Stone, Jefferson "Yuri Nosenko Was a True Defector!!!" Morley, Bill Simpich, Jimmy "I Never Met a Communist I Didn't Cherish" DiEugenio, and Tucker "The You Know-What" Carlson, et al. ad nauseam?

*Today's SVR and FSB

PS Thanks in advance for your collegial comments.

LOL!

[Charles Collins]

Thanks for your collegial comments.

I have not read Orr's analysis, but I will give it a whirl.

Certainly LHO acted like a guilty or framed party in the immediate post-JFKA moments and minutes.

My suspicion is that he was involved in the JFKA, although who can say how, with any degree of certainty?

The HSCA, full of smart and skeptical people, concluded there had been a JFKA conspiracy, but that LHO fired the lethal shots. Maybe so.

I wonder if LHO did a repeat of his Walker evening (IMHO), and fired, but intentionally to miss. That would explain the three missed shots on 11/22 seen by many witnesses (one striking the asphalt behind the limo, one striking the Elm St. adjacent manhole cover, and another near Tague).

I lean towards a second gunsel behind the limo, perhaps, as you say, on the Dal-Tex roof, or elsewhere on TSBD6.

Then the GK smoke-and-bang show, which was possibly a diversion.

As stated, in my view, the JFKA conspiracy was very small, possibly even just Herminio Diaz and Eladio Del Valle. Del Valle was a pol back in Cuba, thus likely somewhat polished, able to speak to LHO, win his confidence.

As for "professional hit man"--well maybe. What the horrible Trump assassination attempt (missed by an inch), and the equally horrible Kirk assassination show is that relative amateurs with rifles are very dangerous. JFK was moving, but nearly in a straight line away from the TSBD/Dal-Rex buildings.

Anyone reasonably familiar with a rifle could have perped the deed. But not a lone gunman with a single-shot bolt-action rifle.

IMHO, caveat emptor, and draw your conclusions.

But not a lone gunman with a single-shot bolt-action rifle.

The Carcano rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD is not a single-shot rifle. It is automatically fed from a spring loaded magazine which defines it as a repeater. A true single-shot rifle would require the operator to hand feed the next shot into the action after each shot. And it has been demonstrated many times and ways that LHO had the capability to make the shots fired in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63.