Shelley intercepted Calvery at the "island" about 10 seconds after final shot

[Royell Storing]

   You do realize you are not watching actual assassination film footage? You are watching a visual aid cartoon.
   We still have no idea how it is that we are seeing Lovelady blowing smoke on the steps of the TSBD. Their testimony is that they were inside the TSBD for 30 minutes. The Martin Film was part of the DCA film package. Maybe the Martin Film was mixed with other assassination footage then? Whether accidental or intentional, Groden did do this with the Couch Film and the Darnell Film.   

[Tom Graves]

You do realize you are not watching actual assassination film footage? You are watching a visual aid cartoon.

I hope you're referring to the animation by Tyler and not to the clips by Couch and Darnell, themselves. If so, gee, I didn't realize that. If not, then there's even less hope for you than I thought.

We still have no idea how it is that we are seeing Lovelady blowing smoke on the steps of the TSBD. Their testimony is that they were inside the TSBD for 30 minutes.

Agreed, but it doesn't necessarily mean that something sinister was going on at the time.

Edit: Grok says there were no DPD radio transmissions on the subject, but witnesses like Roy Truly and Jack Dougherty testified that the police started letting TSBD employees back into the building around 1 o'clock.

The John T. Martin / Jack T. Martin clip shows the police letting Bonnie Ray Williams back into the building while "Neanterthal" Lovelady is standing on the steps, wearing his distinctive "checkered" / "plaid" shirt, watching "the action" and jutting his jaw out as he exhales some cigarette smoke.

Scroll down about halfway to watch a good, properly exposed copy of the aforementioned John T. Martin / Jack T. Martin clip.

http://www.prayer-man.com/tsbd/billy-nolan-lovelady/

I figure Lovelady, desperately needing a shot of nicotine after being cooped up inside since around 12:35, stepped out onto the front steps to have a quick "fix."

That works for you, doesn't it?

The Martin Film was part of the DCA film package. Maybe the Martin Film was mixed with other assassination footage then?

Point being?

Whether accidental or intentional, Groden did do this with the Couch Film and the Darnell Film.

Did do what?

[Royell Storing]

I hope you're referring to the animation by Tyler and not to the clips by Couch and Darnell, themselves. If so, gee, I didn't realize that. If not, then there's even less hope for you than I thought.

Agreed, but it doesn't necessarily mean that something sinister was going on at the time.

Edit: Grok says there were no DPD radio transmissions on the subject, but witnesses like Roy Truly and Jack Dougherty testified that the police started letting TSBD employees back into the building around 1 o'clock.

The John T. Martin / Jack T. Martin clip shows the police letting Bonnie Ray Williams back into the building while "Neanterthal" Lovelady is standing on the steps, wearing his distinctive "checkered" / "plaid" shirt, watching "the action" and jutting his jaw out as he exhales some cigarette smoke.

Scroll down about halfway to watch a good, properly exposed copy of the aforementioned John T. Martin / Jack T. Martin clip.

http://www.prayer-man.com/tsbd/billy-nolan-lovelady/

I figure Lovelady, desperately needing a shot of nicotine after being cooped up inside since around 12:35, stepped out onto the front steps to have a quick "fix."

That works for you, doesn't it?

Point being?

Did do what?

     So we are just to "move along" when the Lovelady timeline with respect to his being out on the steps smoking is unexplainable? Again, the Lovelady timeline impacts the Adams & Styles timeline. And the word smiths are hoodwinking you. "LETTING TSBD employees back into the building around 1 o'clock"? How about employees that simply walked into the TSBD BEFORE 1'oclock?   Officer Luke Mooney's WC Testimony detailed his entering the TSBD 1st Floor via the Huge Gates/TSBD side door. He was then immediately approached by 2 ladies needing to go up to the 2nd floor. Mooney was inside that building only minutes after the Kill Shot. Same goes for those 2 ladies already being inside the TSBD. That 1 o'clock stuff is misdirection/hog wash. This is why I urge you to read testimony. Those that do Not know eyewitness testimony are easily led astray. Those that are also unfamiliar with the layout of Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63, are lambs being led to the slaughter. I believe you mean well, but remember that knowledge is power. Do the deep dive research. Read the eyewitness testimony and examine every single 11/22/63 image of Dealey Plaza you can find. This includes the railroad yard. And do you think these guys such as Lovelady were Not smoking inside the TSBD? Stop kidding yourself. How many cops did you see inside the TSBD with a cigarette hanging outta their mouths? This was 1963 and even smoking inside stuffy movie theaters was common conduct. 

[Tom Graves]

So we are just to "move along" when the Lovelady timeline with respect to his being out on the steps smoking is unexplainable? Again, the Lovelady timeline impacts the Adams & Styles timeline. And the word smiths are hoodwinking you. "LETTING TSBD employees back into the building around 1 o'clock"? How about employees that simply walked into the TSBD BEFORE 1'oclock?   Officer Luke Mooney's WC Testimony detailed his entering the TSBD 1st Floor via the Huge Gates/TSBD side door. He was then immediately approached by 2 ladies needing to go up to the 2nd floor. Mooney was inside that building only minutes after the Kill Shot. Same goes for those 2 ladies already being inside the TSBD. That 1 o'clock stuff is misdirection/hog wash. This is why I urge you to read testimony. Those that do Not know eyewitness testimony are easily led astray. Those that are also unfamiliar with the layout of Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63, are lambs being led to the slaughter. I believe you mean well, but remember that knowledge is power. Do the deep dive research. Read the eyewitness testimony and examine every single 11/22/63 image of Dealey Plaza you can find. This includes the railroad yard.

Dear Comrade Storing,

I thought you were wondering why Lovelady, wearing his distinctive "checkered" / "plaid" shirt, was standing on the TSBD steps around one o'clock as the police were letting TSBD employees back into the building.

My bad.

Regarding Adams and Styles, Brian Doyle posted on his website some time ago that he had a two-hour conversation with Barry Ernest during which Ernest told him that he'd interviewed Styles and that Styles was adamant that she did not see Lovelady or Shelley by the first-floor stairs when she and Adams got there.

Doyle also wrote, "Ernest said he interviewed Baker, and Baker told him the only person on the first floor when they got back to the elevators was a black person whom Truly stopped him from questioning ... Adams and Styles said the same thing."

If that's the case, it must have been because it took Adams and Styles a lot longer to get to the first floor than they remembered, and Baker and Truly (whom we can surmise from the Couch-Darnell clip entered the TSBD about 30 seconds after the final shot) must have been having their little out-of-view-in-the-second-floor-lunchroom-"vestibule" confrontation with Oswald when Adams and Styles finally hit the second floor . . . and were on it for maybe three seconds.

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

  You do know that the WC did 3 trial runs with Officer Baker riding his motorcycle from Main to Houston and then entering the TSBD BEFORE he testified? This is how important it was to put Baker quickly inside the TSBD in order for him to eventually see Oswald through that vestibule door. And Baker had to know this too. He's no dummy. I believe the recently released first half of the Original Darnell Film throws numerous previously accepted timelines into question. That Original Darnell Film opens with the Camera Cars atta Dead Stop as they were turning onto Elm, and 1 driver is standing outside the car. This tells us the Officer Baker/Truly being inside the TSBD in 30 second stuff is  . This lengthy slowing/then stopping of the camera cars also impacts the accepted timelines of the Darnell and Couch Films, which also impacts the timeline of Officer Smith being filmed running down the Elm St Ext. And why are we seeing all of these timeline/dominoes fall? Just my opinion, but I believe it is because Wiegman filmed the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass. It took the JFK Limo more time after the Kill Shot to travel down to the Triple Underpass than has been foisted on us. Which brings us to the Limo Stop or prolonged rolling stop/crawl.   

[Tom Graves]

You do know that the WC did 3 trial runs with Officer Baker riding his motorcycle from Main to Houston and then entering the TSBD before he testified? This is how important it was to put Baker quickly inside the TSBD in order for him to eventually see Oswald through that vestibule door. And Baker had to know this, too. He's no dummy. I believe the recently released first half of the Original Darnell Film throws numerous previously accepted timelines into question. That original Darnell film opens with the camera cars at a dead stop as they were turning onto Elm, and one driver is standing outside the car. This tells us the Officer Baker/Truly being inside the TSBD in 30 seconds stuff is [XX]. This lengthy slowing/then stopping of the camera cars also impacts the accepted timelines of the Darnell and Couch films, which also impacts the timeline of Officer Smith's being filmed running down the Elm Street Extension. And why are we seeing all of these timeline/dominoes fall? Just my opinion, but I believe it is because Wiegman filmed the JFK limo going under the Triple Underpass. It took the JFK limo more time after the kill shot to travel down to the triple underpass than has been foisted on us. Which brings us to the limo stop or prolonged rolling stop/crawl.

Dear Comrade Storing,

You wrote, "I believe the recently released first half of the Original Darnell Film throws numerous previously accepted timelines into question. That original Darnell film opens with the camera cars at a dead stop as they were turning onto Elm Street, and one driver is standing outside the car."

Have you ever noticed how I almost always post the "links" to videos I refer to in my text?

Are you incapable of doing that?

-- Tom

Edit:

Regarding the "recently released" version of the Darnell film you must be talking about, the following is what Gerald Posner posted about it five months ago on Twitter:

Time for a dose of reality.

This 👇is the supposedly smoking gun video that @RepLuna said last night had "never been seen before" and "could blow open the entire JFK investigation."

Luna said she learned about it from Oliver Stone and said the video "shows Oswald near the vehicle [JFK's limo] when the assassination took place, which means he couldn't have been the shooter." And she told a credulous Jesse Watters, NBC had been "very, very much guarding this tape."

A small problem.

It is NOT a secret video that has never been seen. It is available for anyone to watch at the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas (or on their YouTube channel). What Rep. Luna is referring to is a clip of a film taken by Jimmy Darnell, an NBC affiliate cameraman who had been riding in the "press camera cars" behind the motorcade. He, and three other cameramen had jumped out of their car after the shots and started filming about 30 seconds AFTER the assassination.

Darnell's film shows Dallas police officer Marrion Baker running to the front door of the Texas School Book Depository, and past the TSBD's supervisor, Roy Truly, both of whom would encounter Oswald in less than another 30 seconds, on the second floor. Oswald was on his way out of the building, having come down from the sixth floor after the shooting. Truly vouched for Oswald and Baker let him go.

Some conspiracy theorists think that a few seconds in the Darnell film shows a figure on the far-left side of the front of the Texas School Book Depository they believe is Oswald. The figure has been dubbed prayer man, some say because of the way he has his arms crossed in front of him, while others think the conjecture is the equivalent of a conspiracy Hail Mary prayer long shot.

For those not into the weeds on the JFK assassination, this is not the first time that a film or photo has been used to try and exonerate Oswald. For many years, conspiracy theorists contended that Oswald was visible in one of the pictures taken by James Altgens, an AP photographer at the scene. Oswald, they contended, was the fuzzy figure in a white t-shirt standing to the left entrance of the TSBD. That was in fact one of Oswald's coworkers, Billy Lovelady. Even AFTER Lovelady identified himself as the person in the photo, some conspiracy theorists refused to believe him.

Oliver Stone and others have now turned to the Darnell film and the person standing to the left of Lovelady. Maybe that is Oswald. It is not even clear from the fuzzy image if it is absolutely a white man. It could even be a light-colored black or Latin person. But to Stone and Luna and others, it is Oswald.

Thirteen of Oswald’s work colleagues were standing at the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository. They were there to watch the motorcade. Not one of them remembers seeing Oswald there.

That has not stopped the conspiracy theorists, who claim the clothing on the unidentified man looks like what Oswald wore when he was arrested after killing Dallas police officer J.D. Tippit. Ten other Texas School Book Depository employees wore shirts like the one on “prayer man.”

The entire exercise might as well be a Rorschach inkblot test. That is what happened before in the case, for instance, with a half-inch square portion of Mary Moorman’s badly faded Polaroid taken a split second after the assassination. Conspiracy theorists enhanced it and blew it up and thought they had found the image of the phantom second shooter on the Grassy Knoll, someone they dubbed “badgeman.” They claimed that greatly enlarged pixels identified a rifle and a Dallas police uniform. The enhanced photo only shows shadows and trees, no person, no shooter.

Now, Oliver Stone and others believe the only thing preventing an ironclad identification of Oswald in the Darnell film is that they do not have the original first-generation. The Sixth Floor Museum version is a second-generation print of the film that the Museum acquired as part of a personal collection in 2006.

No one is certain if a first-generation version exists, but the guess by Luna and Stone is that it must be somewhere in the long-lost archives at NBC. Not quite the same as NBC having, as Rep. Luna claimed, “very, very much guarding it.”

I hope that the Oversight Committee gets the original Darnell video. Many of us would like to see the clearest possible version of the frenetic scenes that played out in the minutes after the assassination. For those, however, who think it will be dispositive and exculpatory evidence that Oswald was hanging out at the front of the School Book Depository, good luck. That story might earn a headline in the National Enquirer or the Daily Mail. It should not be the ‘breaking news’ from the congresswoman leading the new investigation into the assassination of President Kennedy.


https://x.com/geraldposner/status/1905998079112745239

[Tom Graves]

I believe the recently released first half of the Original Darnell Film throws numerous previously accepted timelines into question. That Original Darnell Film opens with the Camera Cars atta Dead Stop as they were turning onto Elm, and one driver is standing outside the car. This tells us the Officer Baker/Truly being inside the TSBD in 30 second stuff is [XX]. This lengthy slowing/then stopping of the camera cars also impacts the accepted timelines of the Darnell and Couch Films, which also impacts the timeline of Officer Smith being filmed running down the Elm Street Extension.

Dear Comrade Storing,

At the very beginning of this "recently released" version of the Darnell clip, you do see a motorcycle parked to the right of the car, don't you, and you do see the white helmet of Officer Baker as he starts running towards the TSBD from the "island"?

You don't think he arrived at the curb on his motorcycle about 12 seconds after the final shot, parked his bike, looked around, and started running towards the TSBS about ten seconds later?

-- Tom