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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Ruth Paine Has Passed Away
« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2025, 11:41:00 PM »
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Really.

Based on the testimony of Marina Oswald.


And what in her testimony places the rifle found at the TSBD in Ruth Paine's garage on 11/21/63? Am I missing something here?

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See above.


Where in her testimony did Marina say exactly that the rifle she saw in late September, actually belonged to LHO and was the same one that was found at the TSBD?

Again, I could be missing something here, but all I could find was that she said she saw the wooden stock of a rifle wrapped in a blanket, about three weeks after leaving New Orleans (i.e. in late September 1963), and the record shows that she wasn't able to identify the MC rifle shown to her on Friday evening, just hours after the assassination.

So, she can't identify the rifle on 11/22/63, but she knows for sure it's the same one she saw in late September and she somehow knows it belongs to LHO. Huh? How does that work?

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His rifle was found there.


His rifle? Really? But I'll play along; let's say it is indeed the MC rifle that Hidell ordered from Klein's and let's even assume that Marina did indeed see that same rifle in Ruth Paine's garage in late September, how does that justify the conclusion that Oswald brought that rifle into the TSBD? Let me guess, you somehow know for certain what was in the paper bag Oswald was carrying, right?

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Marina said he did.


Did she? You really are easy to please.

But sorry, that's really non sequitur. First of all, Marina was no expert on rifles and only saw the wooden stock of a rifle wrapped in a blanket once in late September 1963. At least that's what she said. We have no way to verify if that was true or not! She could have assumed that it was LHO's but assumption is not evidence. Also, we know for a fact that Marina was not able to identify the rifle when it was shown to her. So "Marina said he did" seems to be little more that speculative conjecture.

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His rifle was found there.

See above. It might seem reasonable to assume that the alleged "owner" of any item would be the one who brought it to a particular location but even the best assumption isn't evidence that he did.

As I have said many times in the past, I'll gladly accept that Oswald kept his rifle in Ruth Paine's garage, collected it on 11/21/63 an took it to the TSBD the next day, when I am presented with actual evidence instead of mere assumptions and conjectures based upon the highly questionable statements of Marina Oswald.
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Re: Ruth Paine Has Passed Away
« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2025, 04:15:52 PM »
Even accepting the pedantic contrarian interpretation of Marina's testimony about the rifle, it proves the following:

1) LHO owned a rifle in the months leading up to the assassination.
2) He kept that rifle in Paine's garage.
3) It was missing on 11.22.63 when the police showed up and Marina directed them to the location that she expected them to find it.
4) There is no accounting for that rifle as any other than the one found in the TSBD.

What else do we know?

1) That if Oswald owned a rifle, he lied about such ownership when questioned about it by the police.
2) He ordered and was sent a rifle with a specific serial number.
3) A rifle with that same serial number was found in the TSBD.  Oswald's place of employment.
4) Oswald's prints were on that rifle.
5) There is zero evidence that any person other than Oswald owned or possessed the rifle found in the TSBD in the months leading up to the assassination.
6) There is zero evidence that Oswald owned any other rifle than the one left in the TSBD.
7) Oswald was pictured with the rifle left at the TSBD.

All of this overwhelmingly links Oswald to a specific rifle and that rifle to the crime.

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Re: Ruth Paine Has Passed Away
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2025, 04:43:15 PM »
Even accepting the pedantic contrarian interpretation of Marina's testimony about the rifle, it proves the following:

1) LHO owned a rifle in the months leading up to the assassination.
2) He kept that rifle in Paine's garage.
3) It was missing on 11.22.63 when the police showed up and Marina directed them to the location that she expected them to find it.
4) There is no accounting for that rifle as any other than the one found in the TSBD.

What else do we know?

1) That if Oswald owned a rifle, he lied about such ownership when questioned about it by the police.
2) He ordered and was sent a rifle with a specific serial number.
3) A rifle with that same serial number was found in the TSBD.  Oswald's place of employment.
4) Oswald's prints were on that rifle.
5) There is zero evidence that any person other than Oswald owned or possessed the rifle found in the TSBD in the months leading up to the assassination.
6) There is zero evidence that Oswald owned any other rifle than the one left in the TSBD.
7) Oswald was pictured with the rifle left at the TSBD.

All of this overwhelmingly links Oswald to a specific rifle and that rifle to the crime.

Dear Richard,

Don't you realize the oodles and gobs of "Deep State" (as defined pre-Trump / pre-MAGA) operatives arranged all of those things to make it look as though the self-described Marxist and former Marine sharpshooter by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald did it?

-- Tom
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« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2025, 11:05:23 PM »
Dear Richard,

Don't you realize the oodles and gobs of "Deep State" (as defined pre-Trump / pre-MAGA) operatives arranged all of those things to make it look as though the self-described Marxist and former Marine sharpshooter by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald did it?

-- Tom

Comrade Tomsky. 

I thought the KGB and Russia were behind all events in human history.  Keep up the good work. 

Your pal Putin.

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Re: Ruth Paine Has Passed Away
« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2025, 11:25:07 PM »
Comrade Tomsky. 

I thought the KGB and Russia were behind all events in human history.  Keep up the good work. 

Your pal Putin.

Dear Comrade Smith,

Your hero, "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin, cherishes The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx") almost as much as you do.

-- Tom

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Re: Ruth Paine Has Passed Away
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