The deformation of CE-399 adds credibility to the SBT

[Mitch Todd]

  Yeah, of course it clears the seat. They LEVEL Off the flight path of the bullet after it exits the throat. This cartoon from the very start is a joke as it impacts the NECK instead of the BACK. Plus, they have re-positioned Gov Connally in the Jump Seat. The revisionist history never rests.

Nope. You can see that the line is straight coming in and going out. All you have to do is look. A wise man once said, you can observe a lot by just watching

[Royell Storing]

  Exactly. "Straight" = levels off

[Tom Graves]

Exactly. "Straight" = levels off

Storing,

Is English your second language?

Something that levels off cannot be said to have flown straight over its entire course.

Regardless, one thing the video probably did get wrong is its not showing the bullet penetrating JBC's wrist rear-end-first, as is indicated by the fact that clothing fibers were found inside the wound.

[Royell Storing]

  Watch the entire video. The bullet does Not continue the same downward angle after exiting the throat. This is the only way this cartoon could get the bullet to clear the backrest of Connally's jump seat. This shot has been attempted in real life. The bullet slams into the dash board of the auto and caroms out onto the road. Yes, a carcano bullet that somehow Exploded JFK's head only caroms off of a dash board. Embarrassingly this was recorded on film.

[Michael T. Griffith]

The bullet was yawing not tumbling.

You don't know that. That's sheer speculation. You don't have a shred of evidence that the Connally back-wound bullet was yawing or tumbling. Connally's back wound was only 1.5 cm wide, the same width as JFK's rear head wound, yet no one has ever claimed that the JFK rear-head-shot bullet was yawing or tumbling. JFK's head wound was 1.5 x 0.6 cm, while Connally's back wound was 1.5 x 0.8 cm. Yet, again, not a soul has ever suggested that the JFK rear-head-shot bullet was yawing or tumbling.

And, just FYI, quite a few of your fellow WC apologists have long claimed that the bullet that hit Connally's back was tumbling--in fact, a number of them have claimed that the bullet hit him sideways. They've made this claim in relation to the bogus assertion that Connally's back wound was 3 cm wide (that was the size of the wound after Dr. Shaw enlarged it in order to clean and debride it--see 6 H 88; before he did that it, it was 1.5 cm wide). As a matter of fact, Tom Graves said the bullet was tumbling in a recent reply to me:

What's the probability that your beloved testers were able to perfectly reenact CE-399's trajectory, angles of incidence, and velocity, etc., not to mention what it did after it exited JFK's throat and started tumbling (which we know from the Haags experiments viewable in "Cold Case JFK" and the oblong entry wound in JBC's back) so as to be able to recreate perfectly the way it was tumbling and twirling when it side-swiped JBC's radial bone?

Anyway, the damage inside Connally’s chest also disproves a sideways hit.  According to Dr. Shaw, who operated on Connally's chest wound, the bullet created a "small tunneling wound" (7 HSCA 149) and he noted "the neat way in which it stripped the rib out without doing much damage to the muscles that lay on either side of it" (4 H 116). The wound's dimensions and the damage inside Connally's chest indicate the bullet hit Connally at a slight angle and was not tumbling or markedly yawing.

https://history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/BigLieSmallWound/BigLieSmallWound.htm

https://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/Breakability/Breakability.htm

Cotton wad used to stop the bullet vs running out of energy.

Uh, no, wrong. The WC SBT test included firing bullets into a tube of cotton wadding. You don't know what you're talking about, as usual.

No exit wound on JFK.

I've already answered this argument, but you just keep repeating it. Again, bullets often do not leave the body. This happens rather frequently. The Parkland doctors saw clear indications that the throat bullet ranged downward into JFK's chest.

If you don't know anything about the subject maybe don't post on the thread.

LOL! You're the one who has repeatedly proved you don't even have a handle on the basics of the case.

But, now that Tom Graves knows that no SBT test has validated the SBT, he dismisses all the tests because he doesn't think they included the speculation that the bullet was tumbling when it hit Connally's back!

Are you guys ever going to bring yourselves to face the fact that we know that no bullet could have exited the shirt slits because there was no hole in the tie? The FBI knew that releasing all the tie photos would destroy the SBT, which is why they so doggedly resisted releasing them for years.

[Tom Graves]

Tom Graves started this thread by citing the bogus Failure Analysis SBT test because he thought it somehow validated the SBT. But, now that he knows that no SBT test has validated the SBT, he dismisses all the tests because he doesn't think they included the speculation that the bullet was tumbling when it hit Connally's back!

The Failure Analysis SBT Test was a fool's errand because it's impossible to recreate the damage that CE-399 sustained when it wounded both JFK and JBC the way that it did -- unless, of course, one were to fire a trillion or so Carcano bullets exactly the same weight as Oswald's at a trillion or so males the size of JFK and JBC while they are sitting exactly as they were in the limousine at exactly the same distance from the Snipers Nest, on exactly the same downward slope, and with the trillion or so males sitting in for JFK being hit in exactly the same place in their upper back / lower neck as JFK was and by a bullet that started tumbling / yawing exactly the same way CE-399 did when it exited JFK's throat.

D'oh!

[Michael T. Griffith]

The Failure Analysis SBT Test was a fool's errand because it's impossible to recreate the damage that CE-399 sustained when it wounded both JFK and JBC the way that it did -- unless, of course, one were to fire a trillion or so shots at a trillion or so males the size of JFK and JBC while they are sitting exactly as they were in the limousine at exactly the same distance from the Snipers Nest, on exactly the same downward slope, with the male standing in for JFK being hit in exactly the same place in his upper back lower neck by a bullet traveling at exactly the same velocity, etc., etc., etc., and that started tumbling / yawing exactly the same way as he 399 did when it exited JFK's throat. D'oh!

This is beyond silly and desperate. FYI, a test bullet does not have to duplicate the exact position and angle of a bullet in a forensic case to incur approximately the same amount of damage and loss of substance as the damage and loss alleged for the real-case bullet. Otherwise, experts would never bother conducting wound ballistics tests, not to mention the fact that you don't have most of the information about CE 399's alleged journey in the first place.

If the real-case bullet struck at 10-degree downward angle and sideways, and if the test bullet struck at 20-degree downward angle and nearly perpendicularly, as long as the test target object had close to the same density as the real-case target object, the test bullet would incur close to the same degree of damage and loss of substance as the real-case bullet, and the only difference would be where the damage occurred. The test bullet might have its nose flattened while the real-case bullet would have its nose somewhat deformed and an area beneath the nose also deformed, and the loss of substance would be similar.

I notice you once again avoided the fact that no bullet could have exited the shirt slits because no hole was made in the tie. This explains why the bullet that hit Connally's back created a wound that was the same width as JFK's rear head entry wound.

You also keep avoiding the fact that even bullets that were merely fired into cotton wadding emerged with as deformed or more deformed than CE 399, proving that CE 399 could not possibly have torn through seven layers of skin, several inches of tissue, smashed 5 inches of rib bone, shattered the radius bone, and then penetrated the thigh.

[Tim Nickerson]

   Please watch the entire video. (1) The Bullet Enters the NECK (not the BACK), (2) The Bullet LEVELS off after exiting the throat, and (3) Gov Connally is leaning forward. Connally's back is not even close to the backrest.   And people want to argue with Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE finding the SBT "Is Impossible"? This is what is required to do that. A Total Sham Presentation.

The video does have its flaws. The bullet entering the neck is not one of them.  It did enter the neck.  The video has Kennedy positioned rigidly and fully upright. It does not account for his hunchback physique, which gave him the appearance of being hunched forward. The video also has Connally leaning forward, which you have pointed out. It's not a total sham presentation though. If you want to see a total sham presentation, just watch the one created by Knott Lab.