The deformation of CE-399 adds credibility to the SBT

[Tom Graves]

I find it revealing that lone-gunman theorists simply cannot face the fact that even in SBT tests where the FMJ bullets did most of the same damage attributed to CE 399, the bullets emerged more deformed than CE 399, in addition to the fact that no one has yet found a forensic case where a bullet performed the same feat alleged for CE 399 and emerged with minimal deformity.

The OP of this thread cited the ridiculous, bogus SBT simulation done by Failure Analysis, where FMJ bullets were merely fired into cadaver wrists at reduced velocities. The bullets did not have to pass through ballistics gelatin before hitting the wrists, nor did they have to smash at least a few inches of rib bone before hitting the wrists, nor did they have to penetrate at least 1 inch into a gelatin block after exiting the wrists.

At least in the 1967 CBS SBT test, the bullets passed through 12 inches of gelatin before hitting cadaver wrists, but none of the bullets managed to penetrate the simulated thigh, and many of them never even exited the cadaver radius bone. Based on these facts, one of the expert forensic consultants for the CBS test, Dr. W. F. Enos, said the CBS test "disproved" the SBT and that the SBT was "highly improbable" (Mal Jay Hayman, Burying the Lead: The Media and the JFK Assassination, Trine Day LLC, 2019, pp. 214, 218).

Lattimer's SBT test actually did a decent job of duplicating CE 399's alleged journey, but Lattimer threw away the three bullets that struck two bones, and one of the other bullets was markedly deformed.

In the WC's SBT test, an FMJ bullet that was fired through a goat carcass and broke one rib emerged with more deformity than CE 399, even though the goat rib was smaller than Connally's fifth rib and even though it did not smash a cadaver wrist after breaking the rib. That bullet is shown in CE 853.

Other bullets from the WC's SBT test were merely fired into cotton wadding, and every one of them emerged with the same or greater deformation as CE 399.

In the 1992 All-American Communications (AATV) SBT test, two gelatin blocks and two sets of bones were used. The bullet that hit two bones emerged far more deformed than CE 399, and it never penetrated the second gelatin block.

Griffith,

What's the probability that your beloved testers were able to perfectly reenact CE-399's trajectory, angles of incidence, and velocity, etc., not to mention what it did after it exited JFK's throat and started tumbling (which we know from the Haags experiments viewable in "Cold Case JFK" and the oblong entry wound in JBC's back) so as to be able to recreate perfectly the way it was tumbling and twirling when it side-swiped JBC's radial bone?

[Michael T. Griffith]

Griffith,

What's the probability that your beloved testers were able to perfectly reenact CE-399's trajectory, angles of incidence, and velocity, etc., not to mention what it did after it exited JFK's throat and started tumbling (which we know from the Haags experiments viewable in "Cold Case JFK" and the oblong entry wound in JBC's back) so as to be able to recreate perfectly the way it was tumbling and twirling when it side-swiped JBC's radial bone?

This is sheer comedy. Let me repeat the fact that in the WC's SBT test, bullets that were merely fired into cotton wadding emerged as deformed or more deformed than CE 399. Plus, are you aware that Connally's back wound showed no indication that it was made by a tumbling bullet, that the mortician said the back wound was about 6 inches below the throat wound, that the rear clothing holes put the back wound well below the throat wound, and that the most sophisticated SBT trajectory analysis ever done proves the SBT is impossible?

This is not to mention the fact that we know that no bullet exited the throat wound because there was no hole in the tie and because the front shirt slits had no fabric missing from them and had no metallic traces around, in addition to the fact that Dr. Carrico and one of the Parkland nurses confirmed that the nurses made the shirt slits.

Are you ever going to face the fact that there was no hole in the tie? Even if we assume a bullet exited the shirt slits, there is no way that bullet could have magically weaved around the body of the tie to nick the left side of the tie knot. Again, there was no hole in the tie, only a small nick near the left edge of the tie knot. This fact alone destroys the SBT.

[Jack Nessan]

This is sheer comedy. Let me repeat the fact that in the WC's SBT test, bullets that were merely fired into cotton wadding emerged as deformed or more deformed than CE 399. Plus, are you aware that Connally's back wound showed no indication that it was made by a tumbling bullet, that the mortician said the back wound was about 6 inches below the throat wound, that the rear clothing holes put the back wound well below the throat wound, and that the most sophisticated SBT trajectory analysis ever done proves the SBT is impossible?

This is not to mention the fact that we know that no bullet exited the throat wound because there was no hole in the tie and because the front shirt slits had no fabric missing from them and had no metallic traces around, in addition to the fact that Dr. Carrico and one of the Parkland nurses confirmed that the nurses made the shirt slits.

Are you ever going to face the fact that there was no hole in the tie? Even if we assume a bullet exited the shirt slits, there is no way that bullet could have magically weaved around the body of the tie to nick the left side of the tie knot. Again, there was no hole in the tie, only a small nick near the left edge of the tie knot. This fact alone destroys the SBT.

The bullet was yawing not tumbling. Cotton wad used to stop the bullet vs running out of energy. No exit wound on JFK.  If you don't know anything about the subject maybe don't post on the thread.

[Royell Storing]

Griffith,

What's the probability that your beloved testers were able to perfectly reenact CE-399's trajectory, angles of incidence, and velocity, etc., not to mention what it did after it exited JFK's throat and started tumbling (which we know from the Haags experiments viewable in "Cold Case JFK" and the oblong entry wound in JBC's back) so as to be able to recreate perfectly the way it was tumbling and twirling when it side-swiped JBC's radial bone?

   The above visual aid actually discredits the SBT. As pictured, that bullet's decline would Not permit it to clear the backrest of Gov Connally's jump seat.  Also, we see here another adjustment to history. This visual aid NOW has Connally leaning forward. Much like Max Holland NOW claiming that the elapsed time for the 3 shots was roughly 11 seconds, this adjustment to the SBT is another attempt to make a flawed "theory" work. And as usual, this cartoon has the bullet entering JFK's neck. That bullet entered JFK's BACK.

[Tim Nickerson]

   The above visual aid actually discredits the SBT. As pictured, that bullet's decline would Not permit it to clear the backrest of Gov Connally's jump seat.  Also, we see here another adjustment to history. This visual aid NOW has Connally leaning forward. Much like Max Holland NOW claiming that the elapsed time for the 3 shots was roughly 11 seconds, this adjustment to the SBT is another attempt to make a flawed "theory" work. And as usual, this cartoon has the bullet entering JFK's neck. That bullet entered JFK's BACK.

The bullet's decline in that visual aid is 17.5 degrees. It would, and did, permit the bullet to clear the backrest of Gov Connally's jump seat. The bullet dropped about 8 inches between the entry point on JFK and the back of the backrest of Connally's jumpseat.

[Royell Storing]

   Please watch the entire video. (1) The Bullet Enters the NECK (not the BACK), (2) The Bullet LEVELS off after exiting the throat, and (3) Gov Connally is leaning forward. Connally's back is not even close to the backrest.   And people want to argue with Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE finding the SBT "Is Impossible"? This is what is required to do that. A Total Sham Presentation.

[Mitch Todd]

   The above visual aid actually discredits the SBT. As pictured, that bullet's decline would Not permit it to clear the backrest of Gov Connally's jump seat.  Also, we see here another adjustment to history. This visual aid NOW has Connally leaning forward. Much like Max Holland NOW claiming that the elapsed time for the 3 shots was roughly 11 seconds, this adjustment to the SBT is another attempt to make a flawed "theory" work. And as usual, this cartoon has the bullet entering JFK's neck. That bullet entered JFK's BACK.

The "visual aid" clearly shows the bullet clearing the seat, if you actually bother to watch it.

[Royell Storing]

  Yeah, of course it clears the seat. They LEVEL Off the flight path of the bullet after it exits the throat. This cartoon from the very start is a joke as it impacts the NECK instead of the BACK. Plus, they have re-positioned Gov Connally in the Jump Seat. The revisionist history never rests.