Really good documentary on the "three casket entries" at Bethesda

[Royell Storing]

  There's the phone call between LBJ and Hoover the morning after. The 2 got on the same page right then. 1 Shooter. Done deal.

[Lance Payette]

Although I did enjoy Horne's documentary and think it was well done, I am no longer puzzled:

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4435.0.html#google_vignette

Now I understand why body alteration fans conveniently ignore the rather critical questions as to how JFK's body got from Air Force One onto a mystery helicopter, into a metal shipping casket, and on its way to Bethesda in a black hearse.

The answer: It didn't.

You're welcome. Next factoid, please.

[Royell Storing]

 So are you Now claiming the JFK Body was Never placed in a shipping casket? Even though you just claimed this was common practice? Let me guess. You're favorite game is "Twister"?

[Tom Graves]

So are you Now claiming the JFK Body was Never placed in a shipping casket? Even though you just claimed this was common practice? Let me guess. You're (sic) favorite game is "Twister"?

Storing,

It seems to me that your only game is "Hallelujah! I'm a zombified-by-KGB-disinformation 'useful idiot' for life!"

[Lance Payette]

So are you Now claiming the JFK Body was Never placed in a shipping casket? Even though you just claimed this was common practice? Let me guess. You're favorite game is "Twister"?

Please, tell me you're not really this dense. Weisberg determined it was SOP to send a shipping casket to every military autopsy. The obvious reason is that the remains would typically be sent to a funeral home after the autopsy. Most bodies do not arrive for military autopsies in $3000 (in 1963 dollars) ceremonial caskets from Dallas - duh. Most would not be suitable for placement in a burial casket until after the embalming. If the shipping casket is not needed - OK, no big deal. The shipping casket was delivered by MDW to Bethesda because the expectation was that JFK's body would go to Gawler's for embalming. At the "last minute" (Hagan), a decision was made that the embalming would be at Bethesda. The shipping casket was not needed, no big deal. Several people saw the shipping casket and assumed, wrongly, that this was the arrival of JFK's body. No big deal, except in Conspiracy World.

Perhaps return to your Huge Gates nonsense because you're not even good at Whack-a-Mole on this thread.

I will close here by asking folks to look at Horne's discussion of the Gawler "First Call Sheet" beginning at roughly 18:20 of the video. Horne notes the "metal shipping casket" statement on the Call Sheet and explains that Hagan confirmed this term meant a cheap, basic transit casket. WOW!

Horne DOESN'T tell us that Hagan, in two separate interviews, told Horne that he had never seen the casket, had only been told JFK arrived in a "metal" casket, had merely assumed it was a transit casket, and had no idea JFK had actually arrived in a "ceremonial" bronze casket costing $3000 ($31,546 today).

In short, the "First Call Sheet" is irrelevant to the shipping casket issue and Horne is a fundamentally dishonest con artist.

Alas, "fundamentally dishonest con artist" describes many of the most high-profile conspiracy theorists. Whatever their agenda may be, historical truth is not part of it.

[Charles Collins]

Please, tell me you're not really this dense. Weisberg determined it was SOP to send a shipping casket to every military autopsy. The obvious reason is that the remains would typically be sent to a funeral home after the autopsy. Most bodies do not arrive for military autopsies in $3000 (in 1963 dollars) ceremonial caskets from Dallas - duh. Most would not be suitable for placement in a burial casket until after the embalming. If the shipping casket is not needed - OK, no big deal. The shipping casket was delivered by MDW to Bethesda because the expectation was that JFK's body would go to Gawler's for embalming. At the "last minute" (Hagan), a decision was made that the embalming would be at Bethesda. The shipping casket was not needed, no big deal. Several people saw the shipping casket and assumed, wrongly, that this was the arrival of JFK's body. No big deal, except in Conspiracy World.

Perhaps return to your Huge Gates nonsense because you're not even good at Whack-a-Mole on this thread.

I will close here by asking folks to look at Horne's discussion of the Gawler "First Call Sheet" beginning at roughly 18:20 of the video. Horne notes the "metal shipping casket" statement on the Call Sheet and explains that Hagan confirmed this term meant a cheap, basic transit casket. WOW!

Horne DOESN'T tell us that Hagan, in two separate interviews, told Horne that he had never seen the casket, had only been told JFK arrived in a "metal" casket, had merely assumed it was a transit casket, and had no idea JFK had actually arrived in a "ceremonial" bronze casket costing $3000 ($31,546 today).

In short, the "First Call Sheet" is irrelevant to the shipping casket issue and Horne is a fundamentally dishonest con artist.

Alas, "fundamentally dishonest con artist" describes many of the most high-profile conspiracy theorists. Whatever their agenda may be, historical truth is not part of it.

Distortion by omission is prevalent in most of the ideas presented by the CT community. The root of the issue is that people will usually believe what they want to believe (ie: that there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK). The people who want to believe in a conspiracy will almost always just overlook the omissions even after the omissions are pointed out to them. Maybe one day when they decide they want some answers (instead of more and more questions) they will change their attitudes and begin to seek reality instead of more and more intrigue.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Distortion by omission is prevalent in most of the ideas presented by the CT community. The root of the issue is that people will usually believe what they want to believe (ie: that there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK). The people who want to believe in a conspiracy will almost always just overlook the omissions even after the omissions are pointed out to them. Maybe one day when they decide they want some answers (instead of more and more questions) they will change their attitudes and begin to seek reality instead of more and more intrigue.

Yep, that summarizes the main problem dealing with them, with any conspiracist (this, 9/11, whatever). We see it with this casket claim, with the claims of alteration of the Zapruder film, with the Tippit shooting, the autopsy, the Mexico City visit (my favorite).

The problem is that it takes 30 seconds to make a conspiracy claim and then 30 minutes to fix it, to add the omissions. As we see here. It's hard to "unring" the conspiracy bell especially with the JFK assassination and particularly during moments when a sort of conspiracy fever is prevalent (e.g., during the Watergate/Vietnam period or now). We just saw this again with the news reports about Oswald in New Orleans. The corrections are always chasing the errors.

And yes, I know there are conspiracies and I know governments lie. Could conspiracists please stop with these responses?