The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish

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Online Royell Storing

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« Reply #64 on: July 07, 2025, 11:13:32 PM »
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  Zavada Report was issued in the 90's.  Dan Rather viewed the Z Film the very weekend of the JFK Assassination. Case Closed!

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Online Dan O'meara

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« Reply #65 on: July 07, 2025, 11:17:17 PM »
As previously stated, using 'head turns' to determine whether or not a shot has been taken is really weak.
But there is an exception - if a group of witnesses expressly state that they turned there heads in a specific direction as a result of the first shot.
These are the statements of three of the SS agents travelling in the Presidential follow-up car regarding their actions as a result of the first shot:

Landis - "I heard what sounded like the report of a high-powered rifle from behind me, over my right shoulder...", "My first glance was at the President, as I was practically looking in his direction anyway...", "I immediately returned my gaze, over my right shoulder."

Ready - "I heard what appeared to be fire crackers going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear trying to locate the source but was not able to determine the exact location."

Hickey - "I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything. "


"over my right shoulder"..."right rear"..."right and rear".

This crop from Altgens 6 (thought to be taken at z255) shows the three men reacting exactly as stated, all looking to the right and rear.



However, the crop below from z207 shows the same agents all facing forward. There is no sign of any kind of a reaction to a first shot.



This image is taken over four and a half seconds after Tom's shot at the hypothetical z124
It is taken two and a half seconds after Jarrett's shot at z160
The first shot was described as "ear-splitting" and an "explosion".
The three agents would have spun around within a second of hearing it.
Yet z207 shows that no such reaction had taken place.
One must reasonably conclude from this evidence that the first shot did not occur as early z160, let alone earlier.
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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2025, 11:24:05 PM »
  Zavada Report was issued in the 90's.  Dan Rather viewed the Z Film the very weekend of the JFK Assassination. Case Closed!

 :D :D Case Closed!
Roland Zavada, even in retirement, was considered the world's leading expert on the film used by Zapruder (Kodachrome II).
He was one of the heads of the team that actually developed this film.
He examined the original in forensic detail and produced a truly comprehensive report on it concluding that the Z-film was authentic and unaltered.

You, on the other hand, have a track record of not knowing what you're talking about.
Excuse me if I lean towards Zavada on this issue.
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« Reply #67 on: Today at 01:16:37 AM »
The first shot was described as "ear-splitting" and an "explosion."


By everyone who heard it?

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The three agents would have spun around within a second of hearing it.

Even if they thought it was just another motorcycle backfire?
 
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One must reasonably conclude from [the] evidence that the first shot did not occur as early z160, let alone earlier.

From “Estimating Occult Timing of Surprise Gunshot Sounds in Silent Film via Observed Start of Human Voluntary Reactions of Concern” by Brian Roselle and Kenneth Scearce in “Journal of the Association of Crime Scene Reconstruction”; 2020

First number = Author A’s observation; Second number = Author B’s observation; Third number = average of the two. Numbers represent Zapruder frames.


Roy Kellerman -- Begins leaning over and looking behind/down to the right at 148, 148, 148

George Hickey -- Begins leaning over to the left looking down in the direction of the rear tire or tire at 144, 143, 143.5

John Connally -- Begins a quick head turn left (followed by quickly looking back right) at 151, 149, 150

Jackie Kennedy -- Starts accelerated head turning left, before looking back right. (Similar to John Connally’s L-R head motion but starts slightly earlier & ends slightly later than his) at 145, 142, 143.5

President Kennedy -- Starts a quick look to the left at 144, 142, 143.5

Nellie Connally -- Begins a quick sweeping head turn to the right at 146, 144, 145

Rosemary Willis -- Begins a quick look away from the Presidential limo back towards the Texas School Book Depository at 141, 139, 140


Rhetorical question: What are the chances that all five passengers (i.e., non-drivers) in an automobile would randomly move their heads within one-third of a second of each other?
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:D :D Case Closed!
Roland Zavada, even in retirement, was considered the world's leading expert on the film used by Zapruder (Kodachrome II).
He was one of the heads of the team that actually developed this film.
He examined the original in forensic detail and produced a truly comprehensive report on it concluding that the Z-film was authentic and unaltered.

You, on the other hand, have a track record of not knowing what you're talking about.
Excuse me if I lean towards Zavada on this issue.

   We are discussing what DAN RATHER reported to the World several times LIVE! This has nothing to do with me. Nice try.

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« Reply #69 on: Today at 03:35:06 AM »
We are discussing what DAN RATHER reported to the World several times LIVE! This has nothing to do with me. Nice try.

Get over it, Storing.

Realizing that "nothing was happening" except for some boring motorcycles and a boring lead car, Zapruder paused filming at Z-132 for seventeen seconds in order to conserve precious film.

Not being anxious like you about catching JFK and Jackie on film for every possible nanosecond, he didn't resume filming until the limo was heading towards him on Elm Street.

Dan Rather, not realizing that it would be so important to a fringe minority of JFKA conspiracy theorists like you some sixty years later, used a little "poetic license" and fibbed a little when he said the film showed the limo's actually turning onto Elm.

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« Reply #70 on: Today at 06:56:00 AM »

   In 1963, people in large population areas received maybe 7 total TV channels. And 3 of those were the Network channels. If a reporter was on a Network National News Broadcast, it was a very Big Deal. Rather knew this. He described what he saw on the Zapruder Film to a nation that at that time, had no idea what the Zapruder Film was. Rather also described seeing an agent in the front seat of the JFK Limo holding a telephone. If Rather was making stuff up, why would he mess around with including inconsequential information such as this? He wouldn't. 

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« Reply #71 on: Today at 07:57:57 AM »
The Z Film was privately owned and under lock-n-key for 12 years. As evidence it is worthless.

The following week the most important key frames(besides the headshot) were published in LIFE magazine and allowing for production and distribution, the amount of time to alter these frames all of which can be perfectly slotted back into the original, was only a few days, and is simply was not enough time but don't believe me go and ask any older SFX specialist and ask them exactly what could be done with 8mm film or any film for that matter and then ask if your ideas are actually plausible.
Another problem for you is that all the individual elements that you think were edited all have their own specific properties as in lighting, motion blur, directional shadows and angles and etc, and if you cut something out and stick it somewhere else then it's a guarantee that the moved object will be out of place with the surroundings.







The following year The Warren Commission published every single frame from Z171 though to Z334 and they are all the Full Frames that included the ghost images between the sprockets, they also included the graphic head shot.
And every frame is exactly what we saw published in Life Magazine a week later and up until what we see today.





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