The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish

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Online Tom Graves

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2025, 01:12:44 AM »
[If the sniper used Oswald's Carcano,] then he did a pretty amazing job of scoring a hit on JFK on his FIRST shot which is at Z223-224.

Oswald's FIRST shot wasn't at z223-z224.

His SECOND shot was, though.
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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2025, 01:26:06 AM »
Oswald's FIRST shot wasn't at z223-z224.

His SECOND shot was, though.

The first of the three clearly audible shots passed through both JFK and JBC between z222 and z223.
The second shot was the head shot, between z312 and z313.

The mountain of evidence supporting this claim can be found at "The First Shot" thread - https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2723.msg98813.html#msg98813

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2025, 01:44:34 AM »
The first of the three clearly audible shots passed through both JFK and JBC between z222 and z223.
The second shot was the head shot, between z312 and z313.

Oswald's first (missing everything) shot at hypothetical "Z-124" (i.e., half-a second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133) was sufficiently steeply-downward-angled as to require him to stand and awkwardly lean forward while firing it.

The muzzle of his Carcano was, therefore, inside the building when he fired said missing-everything shot.

The sound of the muzzle blast it created was therefore different from the sounds of his next two shots (at Z-222 - Z-224 and Z-313), which shots were fired from a kneeling position -- and with the muzzle of his Carcano outside the building.
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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2025, 01:49:23 AM »
Oswald's first (missing everything) shot at hypothetical "Z-124" (i.e., half-a second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133) was sufficiently steeply-downward-angled as to require him to stand and awkwardly lean forward while firing it.

The muzzle of his Carcano was, therefore, inside the building, and the sound of the muzzle blast it created was therefore different from the sounds of his next two shots at Z222-Z-224 and Z-313, which shots were fired from a kneeling position -- and with the muzzle of his Carcano outside the building.

I have a mountain of evidence to back up my claim.
The same mountain of evidence completely obliterates the notion of such an early shot.
I would, however, be interested to hear what evidence you have based your belief in such an early shot on.

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2025, 01:52:52 AM »
I would be interested to hear what evidence you have based your belief in such an early (i.e., hypothetical "Z-124") shot on.

Perhaps you missed my earlier posts (on different "threads") on the subject.

Are you hoping for a special one-on-one tutorial?
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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2025, 08:37:15 AM »
Perhaps you missed my earlier posts (on different "threads") on the subject.

Are you hoping for a special one-on-one tutorial?

A one-on-one tutorial?
 :D :D
Thanks for the offer but I'll have to decline.
I've covered this issue in great detail in "The First Shot" thread. If you want to get up to speed check it out.

Other than the mountain of evidence ruling out such an early shot I can see at least one big problem with your theory right away.
Having Oswald standing for the first shot should have had alarm bells ringing.
I doubt it's even possible to stand by a half closed window in that small space and hit a target on the road.
The arrangement of the Sniper's Perch would clearly indicate the shooter was preparing for a shot after the limo emerged from behind the oak tree. Why create the Perch then stand? Wouldn't these boxes be in the way while he was standing? I reckon it would be near impossible to get a standing shot on target in these circumstances.



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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2025, 08:25:59 PM »
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O'meara,

Perhaps you didn't understand what I wrote.

I'll try to rephrase it for you so you can understand.

Oswald was standing and awkwardly leaning forward at the 1/3-open window for his first, sharply-downward-angled, missing-everything shot which sounded different than his other two shots because the muzzle of his Carcano was just inside the building.

Oswald ejected the spent cartridge from his Carcano while he was still standing. That ejected shell didn't bounce off the stack of boxes behind him but flew unhindered all the way down to the stack of boxes to his right.

Oswald knelt and rested his left elbow / forearm on the top box for his next two shots, during which the muzzle of his Carcano was outside the building. When he ejected those two shells from his kneeling position, they bounced off the stack of boxes behind him and ended up under the window.

The different sound of the first shot, the fact that it missed everything, and the ejection pattern of the three spent shells suggest that this is what happened.

A scientific analysis of the conscious reactions of seven witnesses (including JFK, Jackie, and Governor Connally) by Roselle and Scearce in 2020 suggests that the first shot was fired half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133 (after a 17-second pause), and that Oswald, therefore, took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.

Understand yet?

https://d7922adf-f499-4a26-96d4-8ab2d521fa35.usrfiles.com/ugd/d7922a_e280e26982b44f2c97c6e6e27026e385.pdf
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