Walk me through this, curtain rod fans

[Lance Payette]

In Randle's WC testimony, she wants to shrink the bag even more by suddenly interjecting with the "27 last time" comment. And even a 27 inch bag would be too long for anybody Oswald's size to store it from armpit to cupped hand. I'm over 6 feet tall and I can barely get 24 inches in there.

I'm exactly 6 feet and have tried the experiment numerous times. I likewise can get about 25" in there. And why would anyone carry a wrapped package that way at all unless they were trying to make it as inconspicuous as possible?

My interpretation of Randle's testimony.

That has always been my interpretation as well, and I can easily carry a 40" golf club that way!

I'm not getting a lot of takers for my request to provide a plausible CT-oriented explanation. Is "plausible" the problem, as it so often seems to be? Gee, you folks are so quick to chime in when you think I'm giving insufficient weight to Frazier and Randle, but then when asked to provide a plausible explanation for curtain rods or any too-short package, you go silent. Now that it's been brought to my attention, be sure to address why Randle originally said the bag was 36" and why we should not "give more weight" to that estimate?

This thread, of course, is not really about curtain rods. As always, it's really about Conspiracy Think.

[John Mytton]

I'm exactly 6 feet and have tried the experiment numerous times. I likewise can get about 25" in there. And why would anyone carry a wrapped package that way at all unless they were trying to make it as inconspicuous as possible?

That has always been my interpretation as well, and I can easily carry a 40" golf club that way!

I'm not getting a lot of takers for my request to provide a plausible CT-oriented explanation. Is "plausible" the problem, as it so often seems to be? Gee, you folks are so quick to chime in when you think I'm giving insufficient weight to Frazier and Randle, but then when asked to provide a plausible explanation for curtain rods or any too-short package, you go silent. Now that it's been brought to my attention, be sure to address why Randle originally said the bag was 36" and why we should not "give more weight" to that estimate?

This thread, of course, is not really about curtain rods. As always, it's really about Conspiracy Think.

I've brought up the 3 foot bag which is instantly dismissed as an FBI alteration. -sigh-

Also Randle's description of the heavy looking bag which tapers towards the bulky bottom end is entirely consistent with a heavy rifle within, and hardly represents "curtain rods" but this bone jarring revelation is subsequently rejected for the "armpit to cupped hand" theory, which is ALWAYS the fall back.

Mr. BALL. I have one question, Mr. Chief Justice.
You used an expression there, that the bag appeared heavy.
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You meant that there was some weight appeared to--
Mrs. RANDLE. To the bottom.
Mr. BALL. To the bottom?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes. It tapered like this as he hugged it in his hand. It was more bulky toward the bottom than it was this way.
Mr. BELIN. Toward the top? More bulky toward the bottom than toward the top?
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right.

JohnM

[Lance Payette]

Just so I don't mangle Greg Doudna's idea any further, here is the thread where he introduced it: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29747-a-new-look-at-paper-bags-curtain-rods-and-oswald/

Just his first post is beyond me, but maybe someone can parse it out. I'm really not interested in it unless someone wants to defend it as plausible. He also has another one involving a planted conspirator in the Beckley rooming house and a woman (in either the TSBD or Dal-Tex Building, I can't remember which) who falsely befriends Oswald. 

[Lance Payette]

I've brought up the 3 foot bag which is instantly dismissed as an FBI alteration. -sigh-

You lost me there. Where was it instantly dismissed? Do you mean this is the standard CT dodge?

[John Mytton]

You lost me there. Where was it instantly dismissed? Do you mean this is the standard CT dodge?

Do you mean this is the standard CT dodge?

Yes. An alteration, a mistake or something to that effect.

- Why would Bookhout's second-hand account of what Randle said trump what she said directly?

JohnM

[Tom Graves]

I'm not getting a lot of takers for my request to provide a plausible CT-oriented explanation.

If Buell Wesley Frazier was a witting conspirator (preferably with just self-described Marxist and former sharpshooting Marine Lee Harvey Oswald to keep it nice and simple), he could have planned to say afterwards, if asked, "Gosh, Lee had told me the previous afternoon that he was gonna pick up some curtain rods from the Paine residence, and since the package looked to me to be only 24" to 28.5" in length when I kinda glanced at it over my shoulder and out of the corner of my eye real quick-like on the back seat of my car this morning, I figured that's what it was, especially after I asked him, 'What's in that twenty-four-inch to twenty-eight-and-a-half-inch-long package you put on the back seat before we got into my 1954 Chevy sedan, Lee?' and he said, 'Don't you remember, You Big Dummy, I told you yesterday TWENTY-FOUR TO TWENTY-EIGHT-AND-A-HALF-INCH-LONG CURTAIN RODS!!!!'"

[Lance Payette]

If Buell Wesley Frazier was a witting conspirator (preferably with just self-described Marxist and former sharpshooting Marine Lee Harvey Oswald to keep it nice and simple), he could have planned to say afterwards, if asked, "Gosh, Lee had told me the previous afternoon that he was gonna pick up some curtain rods from the Paine residence, and since the package looked to me to be only 24" to 28.5" in length when I kinda glanced at it over my shoulder and out of the corner of my eye real quick-like on the back seat of my car this morning, I figured that's what it was, especially after I asked him, 'What's in that twenty-four-inch to twenty-eight-and-a-half-inch-long package you put on the back seat before we got into my 1954 Chevy sedan, Lee?' and he said, 'Don't you remember, You Big Dummy, I told you yesterday TWENTY-FOUR TO TWENTY-EIGHT-AND-A-HALF-INCH-LONG CURTAIN RODS!!!!'"

What would 19-year-old dumbass Frazier have added to a conspiracy - just to offer some convoluted explanation that Oswald was carrying a package too short to be the rifle but was in fact the curtain rods that were never found? And why would Oswald then deny having said anything about curtain rods? Whatever one may think of Oswald, I see him as far too intelligent to have trusted 19-year-old dumbass Frazier with anything. Or is the theory that Frazier was in fact the shooter? Either way, I'm having a hard time making sense of it.

Now that I realize Randle originally did say 3 feet, I lean toward this being the reality, Frazier locking himself into a much shorter length during Odum's visit, and Randle playing along for Frazier's sake. I can't say I find this entirely plausible - she seemed adamant at the WC when she seemingly could have danced out of it by saying "Oh, I really can't be sure - somewhere between two and three feet" - but it's the only explanation that seems plausible to me other than my original "They both simply didn't pay that much attention and were simply mistaken."

I am now 11 minutes past my bedtime, so if I don't sign off now Martin will be accusing me of living in Australia. G'night, mate.

[Tom Graves]

What would 19-year-old dumbass Frazier have added to a conspiracy - just to offer some convoluted explanation that Oswald was carrying a package too short to be the rifle but was in fact the curtain rods that were never found? And why would Oswald then deny having said anything about curtain rods? Whatever one may think of Oswald, I see him as far too intelligent to have trusted 19-year-old dumbass Frazier with anything. Or is the theory that Frazier was in fact the shooter? Either way, I'm having a hard time making sense of it.

Now that I realize Randle originally did say 3 feet, I lean toward this being the reality, Frazier locking himself into a much shorter length during Odum's visit, and Randle playing along for Frazier's sake. I can't say I find this entirely plausible - she seemed adamant at the WC when she seemingly could have danced out of it by saying "Oh, I really can't be sure - somewhere between two and three feet" - but it's the only explanation that seems plausible to me other than my original "They both simply didn't pay that much attention and were simply mistaken."

Yes, I suppose you're right.

He should have been at least as old as "Old Man" Oswald.

Hey! Maybe youngster Frazier was just gullible or really, really bad at estimating the lengths of things lying on the back seat of his car!

After all, it's easy to mistakenly believe something that's really three feet long to be two feet long, and vice-versa!!!