Walk me through this, curtain rod fans

[Lance Payette]

If Buell Wesley Frazier was a witting conspirator (preferably with just self-described Marxist and former sharpshooting Marine Lee Harvey Oswald to keep it nice and simple), he could have planned to say afterwards, if asked, "Gosh, Lee had told me the previous afternoon that he was gonna pick up some curtain rods from the Paine residence, and since the package looked to me to be only 24" to 28.5" in length when I kinda glanced at it over my shoulder and out of the corner of my eye real quick-like on the back seat of my car this morning, I figured that's what it was, especially after I asked him, 'What's in that twenty-four-inch to twenty-eight-and-a-half-inch-long package you put on the back seat before we got into my 1954 Chevy sedan, Lee?' and he said, 'Don't you remember, You Big Dummy, I told you yesterday TWENTY-FOUR TO TWENTY-EIGHT-AND-A-HALF-INCH-LONG CURTAIN RODS!!!!'"

What would 19-year-old dumbass Frazier have added to a conspiracy - just to offer some convoluted explanation that Oswald was carrying a package too short to be the rifle but was in fact the curtain rods that were never found? And why would Oswald then deny having said anything about curtain rods? Whatever one may think of Oswald, I see him as far too intelligent to have trusted 19-year-old dumbass Frazier with anything. Or is the theory that Frazier was in fact the shooter? Either way, I'm having a hard time making sense of it.

Now that I realize Randle originally did say 3 feet, I lean toward this being the reality, Frazier locking himself into a much shorter length during Odum's visit, and Randle playing along for Frazier's sake. I can't say I find this entirely plausible - she seemed adamant at the WC when she seemingly could have danced out of it by saying "Oh, I really can't be sure - somewhere between two and three feet" - but it's the only explanation that seems plausible to me other than my original "They both simply didn't pay that much attention and were simply mistaken."

I am now 11 minutes past my bedtime, so if I don't sign off now Martin will be accusing me of living in Australia. G'night, mate.

[Tom Graves]

What would 19-year-old dumbass Frazier have added to a conspiracy - just to offer some convoluted explanation that Oswald was carrying a package too short to be the rifle but was in fact the curtain rods that were never found? And why would Oswald then deny having said anything about curtain rods? Whatever one may think of Oswald, I see him as far too intelligent to have trusted 19-year-old dumbass Frazier with anything. Or is the theory that Frazier was in fact the shooter? Either way, I'm having a hard time making sense of it.

Now that I realize Randle originally did say 3 feet, I lean toward this being the reality, Frazier locking himself into a much shorter length during Odum's visit, and Randle playing along for Frazier's sake. I can't say I find this entirely plausible - she seemed adamant at the WC when she seemingly could have danced out of it by saying "Oh, I really can't be sure - somewhere between two and three feet" - but it's the only explanation that seems plausible to me other than my original "They both simply didn't pay that much attention and were simply mistaken."

Yes, I suppose you're right.

He should have been at least as old as "Old Man" Oswald.

Hey! Maybe youngster Frazier was just gullible or really, really bad at estimating the lengths of things lying on the back seat of his car!

After all, it's easy to mistakenly believe something that's really three feet long to be two feet long, and vice-versa!!!

[Bill Brown]

Buell Frazier testified at the Shaw trial in February of 1969...

Q: Mr. Frazier, have you been in the Armed Services of the United States?
A: Yes, sir, I have.
Q: What branch of the Service?
A: Army.
Q: Were you in the Infantry?
A: Yes, sir, I have had Infantry training.
Q: Did you have any rifle training?
A: Yes, sir, I did.
Q: During the course of that training did you ever have occasion to break a rifle down?
A: Yes, sir, quite frequently.
Q: What kind of rifle did you use in the Service?
A: An M14.
Q: Approximately how long was the M14 that you used?
A: I believe the correct length is 30 some odd inches long?
Q: 30 something inches long?
A: Yes.
Q: Did you ever break that rifle down?
A: Yes, sir, I broke it down many times.

The M-14 is over 44 inches long.

[Tom Graves]

Buell Frazier testified at the Shaw trial in February of 1969...

Q: Mr. Frazier, have you been in the Armed Services of the United States?
A: Yes, sir, I have.
Q: What branch of the Service?
A: Army.
Q: Were you in the Infantry?
A: Yes, sir, I have had Infantry training.
Q: Did you have any rifle training?
A: Yes, sir, I did.

If it wasn't for the fact that Linnie originally told the FBI that the package was about three feet long, one would think that she and her brother had a genetic problem.
Q: During the course of that training did you ever have occasion to break a rifle down?
A: Yes, sir, quite frequently.
Q: What kind of rifle did you use in the Service?
A: An M14.
Q: Approximately how long was the M14 that you used?
A: I believe the correct length is 30 some odd inches long?
Q: 30 something inches long?
A: Yes.
Q: Did you ever break that rifle down?
A: Yes, sir, I broke it down many times.

The M-14 is over 44 inches long.

If Linnie hadn't originally told the FBI that she thought the package was about three feet long, one would have to wonder if she and Buell didn't suffer from some sort of genetic problem.

[Tom Graves]

Buell Frazier testified at the Shaw trial in February of 1969...

Q: Mr. Frazier, have you been in the Armed Services of the United States?
A: Yes, sir, I have.
Q: What branch of the Service?
A: Army.
Q: Were you in the Infantry?
A: Yes, sir, I have had Infantry training.
Q: Did you have any rifle training?
A: Yes, sir, I did.
Q: During the course of that training did you ever have occasion to break a rifle down?
A: Yes, sir, quite frequently.
Q: What kind of rifle did you use in the Service?
A: An M14.
Q: Approximately how long was the M14 that you used?
A: I believe the correct length is 30 some odd inches long?
Q: 30 something inches long?
A: Yes.
Q: Did you ever break that rifle down?
A: Yes, sir, I broke it down many times.

The M-14 is over 44 inches long.

How do we know that Buell was telling the truth, i.e., that he really, really, really thought an M-14 was only about 30 inches long?

Because he was under oath?

LOL!

[David Von Pein]

The links below contain my $0.02 (or maybe a touch more than that 😁) regarding such things as Curtain Rods, Linnie Randle, Buell Frazier, Carport Slats, and the Large-ish Paper Bag (which was photographed on the sixth floor by the police, albeit by accident; see 3rd link):

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/curtain-rods.html

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/05/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-709.html

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/frazier-randle-and-paper-bag.html

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/03/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-914.html

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2018/03/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1275.html

[Charles Collins]

This just occurred to me regarding Buell Wesley Frazier. He testified that he had served in the US Army. Yet he was only 19-years old on 11/22/63. So, what do we know about Frazier’s record in the Army? How long of a term did Frazier sign up for? Going from memory only, it does seem like there was a two-year and a four-year option back then. So, it might be possible he joined at 17-years old and had already finished a two-year term. But is that what actually happened? Did he serve his entire term? Was he honorably discharged? Were any of these questions answered in his testimonies or in his book? I am just curious to know what kind of a person we are talking about when discussing the BWF of 1963.