How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?

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Online Tom Graves

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #91 on: June 19, 2025, 03:04:43 PM »
Being that the Huge Gates were torn down along with that entire half block of the Elm St Ext, I do Not believe that 90% of those interested in the JFK Assassination realize how Massive they were. My estimation is that each gate is roughly 8' Wide by 12' -14' High. (Higher than a Pro basketball rim). This is why Officer Mooney could only close 1 gate by himself. Just look at a good copy of the 3 Tramps Photo as the Tramps are escorted passed those still unlocked/open gates. For those Massive Gates to be "Wide Open" as Officer Mooney testified, means their being Wide Open was Planned. Nobody accidentally leaves 2 massive structures "Wide Open" by accident.

Do you really think the architect who designed that entrance made the gates so massively HUGE and heavy that they would require two big, strong men to open them and close them every day?

How is it that Officer Mooney, as you say, was able to close one gate, but not the other?

Did he get completely tuckered out closing the first one?

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #92 on: June 19, 2025, 03:48:20 PM »
All I did was spell out a plausible scenario.

Fair enough. It’s a possible scenario.
I’m just puzzled as to why the alternative scenario doesn’t seem to be considered.
Especially since Oswald said he used the elevator.

Online Tom Graves

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #93 on: June 19, 2025, 03:59:55 PM »
Fair enough. It’s a possible scenario.
I’m just puzzled as to why the alternative scenario doesn’t seem to be considered.
Especially since Oswald said he used the elevator.

Okay.

Online Royell Storing

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #94 on: June 19, 2025, 04:24:10 PM »
Do you really think the architect who designed that entrance made the gates so massively HUGE and heavy that they would require two big, strong men to open them and close them every day?

How is it that Officer Mooney, as you say, was able to close one gate, but not the other?

Did he get completely tuckered out closing the first one?

    Have you completely read the WC Testimony of Officer Mooney?  Doing so will answer your questions. Have you examined a good copy of the 3 Tramps Photo showing them being escorted passed those Huge Gates? Doing so will confirm the size/mass of those gates. Those Huge Gates were not "Wide Open" by accident. And these wide open huge gates were right across from the Bushes that DPD Officer Smith was checking for a possible shooter. Possible bush "shooters" were reported to Officer Smith by a "hysterical" woman.  Bill Newman filed a Sheriffs Dept statement the day of the assassination. In that statement he said, "I thought the shot had come from THE GARDEN directly behind me.......". Based on Newman's physical position at the time of the shooting and everything that was behind him, I believe when Bill Newman says "The Garden", he is referencing those "bushes" that run down the Elm St Ext across from the "Wide Open" Huge Gates. Those "Wide Open" Huge Gates were "Wide Open" for a reason. 
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Online Tom Graves

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #95 on: June 19, 2025, 04:49:59 PM »
    Have you completely read the WC Testimony of Officer Mooney?  Doing so will answer your questions. Have you examined a good copy of the 3 Tramps Photo showing them being escorted passed those Huge Gates? Doing so will confirm the size/mass of those gates. Those Huge Gates were not "Wide Open" by accident. And these wide open huge gates were right across from the Bushes that DPD Officer Smith was checking for a possible shooter. Possible bush "shooters" were reported to Officer Smith by a "hysterical" woman.  Bill Newman filed a Sheriffs Dept statement the day of the assassination. In that statement he said, "I thought the shot had come from THE GARDEN directly behind me.......". Based on Newman's physical position at the time of the shooting and everything that was behind him, I believe when Bill Newman says "The Garden", he is referencing those "bushes" that run down the Elm St Ext across from the "Wide Open" Huge Gates. Those "Wide Open" Huge Gates were "Wide Open" for a reason.

Storing,

Why were the HUGE gates wide open?

So the evil, evil, evil Deep State bad guys could drive an armored personnel carrier into the TSBD and extract the evil, evil CIA assassin(s)?

Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #96 on: June 20, 2025, 05:53:48 AM »
The JFK case is deeply problematic. Every attempt to tie Oswald to the assassination spawns conspiracy theories simply because you’re wading into a fog of misinformation. There were nearly a dozen investigators, yet no one was properly overseeing things. It’s hardly surprising that the evidence was trampled, smeared, torn apart, and destroyed in the chaotic rush.
I don’t take things at face value. In my experience, under stress, the human brain tends to fill in gaps in memory — very few people have a photographic recall, let alone the ability to accurately recreate events on paper.
I lean toward the official version because I’m willing to accept it as mostly truthful. That doesn’t excuse the strange behavior of the intelligence agencies or the chaos within them ahead of an expected leadership change. But the official narrative has one glaring flaw — the biggest of all. Once you answer it, the case falls into place: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository? Years have passed, and no one has been able to provide a clear answer.
You don’t need to ask about a third party. You don’t need to link Ruby and Oswald — jurisprudence (let alone history) doesn’t deal in maybes, and even if they knew each other, that’s a separate issue. In law, things proceed step by step.
So, you have the Texas School Book Depository. You have the sixth floor, where three spent rifle cartridges were found near an open window. Later, the rifle itself was discovered there. You have a list of employees, one of whom is missing — his coworkers say he was there, but he’s gone.
You need to find him — to determine why he vanished: fear, illness, flight. Maybe you’ll get fingerprints that match. Maybe you’ll find gunshot residue that aligns. But the key evidence is how the shooter left the crime scene.
And we have conflicting witness statements, even doubts about the number of shots fired — 2, 3, 5, possibly including a blank, 8…
Let’s say there were three shots. We have three shell casings. And we know the shooter had to be skilled. So we’re looking for marksmen — hard to narrow down in America, where every other man can shoot. In Italy, France, or Russia, maybe one in five served in wars. A reenactment with three shots would require intense focus.
Suppose there were only two shots — then why a third casing? I doubt there’s any method to determine, based on the casings alone, when each shot was fired — if that’s even possible.
Even if you match the prints and prove the rifle was Oswald’s, that doesn’t directly prove he pulled the trigger. Even if you have a written confession backed by a "lie detector," it’s still not definitive.
The strongest evidence — the critical link — is how the shooter left the scene. Who walked away from where those three shell casings were found?
All these years later — and it’s been a long time — no one has clearly explained how the "owner of those three shell casings" got off the sixth floor or which route he took. Oswald’s testimony won’t help — he denied everything. I’m not even sure anyone asked him why he left work early that day. No experiment has answered it, either.
It’s bizarre, given the enormity of the event, that no one has recreated the shots from the sixth floor to record echoes and compare audio data. It wouldn’t be expensive. Yet everyone argues about ballistics and acoustics based on interpretations of old recordings — while the number of living witnesses dwindles each year.
And were all buildings overlooking Dealey Plaza thoroughly checked?
But I suspect that until someone answers the question of the "owner of the three shell casings," the JFK case will keep spawning new theories.  :-[
Read my old stuff, its perfect re Oswald's moovments.

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #97 on: June 20, 2025, 07:01:16 AM »
Read my old stuff, its perfect re Oswald's moovments.

Marjan,

Where do you get off?