How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2025, 01:08:49 AM »
The JFK case is deeply problematic. Every attempt to tie Oswald to the assassination spawns conspiracy theories simply because you’re wading into a fog of misinformation. There were nearly a dozen investigators, yet no one was properly overseeing things. It’s hardly surprising that the evidence was trampled, smeared, torn apart, and destroyed in the chaotic rush.
I don’t take things at face value. In my experience, under stress, the human brain tends to fill in gaps in memory — very few people have a photographic recall, let alone the ability to accurately recreate events on paper.
I lean toward the official version because I’m willing to accept it as mostly truthful. That doesn’t excuse the strange behavior of the intelligence agencies or the chaos within them ahead of an expected leadership change. But the official narrative has one glaring flaw — the biggest of all. Once you answer it, the case falls into place: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository? Years have passed, and no one has been able to provide a clear answer.
You don’t need to ask about a third party. You don’t need to link Ruby and Oswald — jurisprudence (let alone history) doesn’t deal in maybes, and even if they knew each other, that’s a separate issue. In law, things proceed step by step.
So, you have the Texas School Book Depository. You have the sixth floor, where three spent rifle cartridges were found near an open window. Later, the rifle itself was discovered there. You have a list of employees, one of whom is missing — his coworkers say he was there, but he’s gone.
You need to find him — to determine why he vanished: fear, illness, flight. Maybe you’ll get fingerprints that match. Maybe you’ll find gunshot residue that aligns. But the key evidence is how the shooter left the crime scene.
And we have conflicting witness statements, even doubts about the number of shots fired — 2, 3, 5, possibly including a blank, 8…
Let’s say there were three shots. We have three shell casings. And we know the shooter had to be skilled. So we’re looking for marksmen — hard to narrow down in America, where every other man can shoot. In Italy, France, or Russia, maybe one in five served in wars. A reenactment with three shots would require intense focus.
Suppose there were only two shots — then why a third casing? I doubt there’s any method to determine, based on the casings alone, when each shot was fired — if that’s even possible.
Even if you match the prints and prove the rifle was Oswald’s, that doesn’t directly prove he pulled the trigger. Even if you have a written confession backed by a "lie detector," it’s still not definitive.
The strongest evidence — the critical link — is how the shooter left the scene. Who walked away from where those three shell casings were found?
All these years later — and it’s been a long time — no one has clearly explained how the "owner of those three shell casings" got off the sixth floor or which route he took. Oswald’s testimony won’t help — he denied everything. I’m not even sure anyone asked him why he left work early that day. No experiment has answered it, either.
It’s bizarre, given the enormity of the event, that no one has recreated the shots from the sixth floor to record echoes and compare audio data. It wouldn’t be expensive. Yet everyone argues about ballistics and acoustics based on interpretations of old recordings — while the number of living witnesses dwindles each year.
And were all buildings overlooking Dealey Plaza thoroughly checked?
But I suspect that until someone answers the question of the "owner of the three shell casings," the JFK case will keep spawning new theories.  :-[

How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?

He descended the stairs.

The owner of the three shells was Lee Harvey Oswald.

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2025, 01:16:16 AM »
How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?

He descended the stairs.

The owner of the three shells was Lee Harvey Oswald.

How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?

He descended the stairs.


"Richard Smith" said that the evidence that shows that Oswald went down the stairs after the shooting is.... THAT IT HAPPENED!

Do you agree with him?

The owner of the three shells was Lee Harvey Oswald.

What evidence do you have to support this claim? Can you show that Oswald ever bought any bullets?

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2025, 01:27:00 AM »
How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?

He descended the stairs.


"Richard Smith" said that the evidence that shows that Oswald went down the stairs after the shooting is.... THAT IT HAPPENED!

Do you agree with him?

The owner of the three shells was Lee Harvey Oswald.

What evidence do you have to support this claim? Can you show that Oswald ever bought any bullets?

The evidence that Oswald went down the stairs is that using one of the elevators would not have got him down to the second floor before Baker and Truly got there.

The shells had been fired in Oswald's Carcano. That's how I know that they were his.  I assume that he had bought them. I suppose that it is possible that someone gave them to him but it doesn't seem likely.

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2025, 01:37:39 AM »
The evidence that Oswald went down the stairs is that using one of the elevators would not have got him down to the second floor before Baker and Truly got there.

The shells had been fired in Oswald's Carcano. That's how I know that they were his.  I assume that he had bought them. I suppose that it is possible that someone gave them to him but it doesn't seem likely.

The evidence that Oswald went down the stairs is that using one of the elevators would not have got him down to the second floor before Baker and Truly got there.

Very creative! Silly, but creative nevertheless. What exactly makes you claim that Oswald actually went down the stairs after the shots were fired? Can you even place him on the 6th floor at 12:30?

The shells had been fired in Oswald's Carcano. That's how I know that they were his.  I assume that he had bought them. I suppose that it is possible that someone gave them to him but it doesn't seem likely.

Well, it seems you not only assume he bought the bullets, but also that the rifle found at the TSBD was actually fired that day and that it was owned by Oswald.

Wouldn't you prefer to actually have some solid evidence instead of making assumptions?


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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2025, 01:55:12 AM »

  This is weak. Nobody knows if/how Oswald got down to the 2nd Floor. Nobody knows how Oswald exited the TSBD. None of you posting on this thread even know the TSBD Building. You seem to believe that it's either the Stairs or Freight Elevator to descend. Nope! Learn the building, think outside the conventional blather. I have Revealed the Unlocked Huge Gates. This is Extremely Important, but not the end-all-be-all. Again, you gotta KNOW the TSBD Building.     ***  Hint - How about the Dumbwaiter?  ***

Offline Lance Payette

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2025, 02:07:33 AM »
Well, Martin (Fox, not Sock Guy), welcome to the club. As you can see, you are in a wonderland of folks who seem to have difficulty grasping the point you are making or staying on topic for more than two posts.

As I understood it, your premise ("for the sake of argument," as we lawyers say) is that Oswald was not the shooter. If this were true, we are faced with the difficulty (among many others) of how the actual shooter exited the TSBD.

For the sake of argument - even though I think Oswald was the actual shooter - my guess would be that actual shooter would have been nicely dressed, passable as a visitor to one of the publishing companies, a detective or even a police officer, and would've simply blended in for a bit until he could've safely exited the TSBD. I wouldn't picture some "fleeing felon" scenario that would have drawn attention to him.

I don't think this really works, for all the reasons set forth in my own thread "Try thinking about the TSBD" (below), but this would be my best guess if there actually was a shooter other than Oswald inside the TSBD.

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4230.0.html
« Last Edit: May 01, 2025, 02:18:21 AM by Lance Payette »

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2025, 02:31:46 AM »

  What about Exiting the TSBD via the UNLOCKED HUGE GATES that Directly Faced the Elm St Ext? Everybody is looking at the TSBD front door and directly above it at the Sniper's Nest. NOBODY is looking at the other end of the TSBD, down the Elm St Ext. The TSBD is constructed very strangely, as were the other buildings CONNECTED TO IT. On 11/22/63, the TSBD did Not look anything like it currently does. Probably done intentionally.