Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

[Tom Graves]

"[CE399] didn't make a shallow penetration of [JBC's] thigh if it left a lead fragment in the femur."

FWIW, during his Warren Commission testimony, Dr. George T. Shires, who operated on JBC's thigh, estimated that the lead fragment that an X-ray showed embedded in JBC's femur weighed only about a tenth of a grain, i.e., not nearly enough to account for the 2-3 grains of lead core that, given that CE-399 weighed 160-161 grains before it was fired and only 157.7 grains afterwards, must have been squeezed out of the deformed rear of the bullet and broken off during impact.

But you seem to believe that JBC was hit by two bullets a few seconds apart: 1) CE-399, which, after transiting JFK's neck from behind around Z-193, deeply penetrated JBC's left thigh and somehow became substantially deformed and lost 2 - 3 grains of its lead core when it left a .10-grain lead fragment embedded in his femur, and 2) another bullet that was fired a few seconds after CE-399 and which not only pulverized JBC's fifth rib and smashed his radial bone, but fragmented so completely upon smashing said radial bone that one of the fragments ended up nicking James Tague down by the triple underpass.

Am I correct?

[Tom Graves]

Since you don't seem to want to read anything, here is a picture:


The first shot occurred as soon as JFK emerged from under the oak tree branches as he passed between the lamp post and Thornton sign.  The evidence puts it after z186 and before z202. I suggest it occurred very close to z193.  The bullet (CE399) passed through JFK's neck without deflecting.

The second shot at z271-272 struck JBC in the right armpit, exited his chest just below his right nipple, and impacted the right radius causing a comminuted fracture of the radius and causing the bullet to fragment.  A fragment of bullet or bone went through the wrist but most bullet fragments deflected away from the point of impact on the radius, sending fragments up and forward.  One of these fragments struck the windshield, one struck the top of the windshield frame.  Driver Wm. Greer said that he sensed a "concussion" on the second shot. At least one fragment cleared the windshield completely. The latter fragment then dropped to the street level near where James Tague was standing and deflected up off the curb to strike his cheek.  Tague said he was not struck on the first or last shot and there were exactly three shots.

The third shot struck JFK between z312 and z313.

That leaves only one wound unaccounted for:  JBC's thigh wound.  I suggest that the straight line trajectory from the SN through JFK at around z193 passed to the left side of JBC and could account for the thigh wound. The wound characteristics of the thigh wound are consistent with being struck by the butt end of an intact missile like CE399.  Where it went after that and how it got onto a stretcher is not determinable from the evidence.

Dear Andrew,

Given that you seem to think Oswald fired all three shots, did you concoct your (imho) implausible "first shot at Z-193" theory because you can't accept the Single Bullet Hypothesis?

Or is it due to something else, e.g., lack of color (or even black-and-white!) footage of Oswald's "Z-124" missing-everything bullet's striking the asphalt pavement?

Both?

-- Tom

[Zeon Mason]

@TomM: Andrews proposition of CE399 passing thru the throat of JFK and then into the thigh of JC is an attempt to rationally explain the slight deformation of CE  399.

Not sure it’s a LOL but it certainly is highly questionable if the bullet would have stopped in JCs thigh given that the earlier transit thru JFKs throat would not not slowed it down much from its initial 2000 ft/sec velocity.

The other thing that’s questionable enough to maybe warrant a LOL is the way Andrew has JC oriented in his seat in order for this 193 trajectory to work.

[Andrew Mason]

Dear Andrew,

Given that you seem to think Oswald fired all three shots, did you concoct your (imho) implausible "first shot at Z-193" theory because you can't accept the Single Bullet Hypothesis?

Or is it due to something else, e.g., lack of color (or even black-and-white!) footage of Oswald's "Z-124" missing-everything bullet's striking the asphalt pavement?

Both?

-- Tom

Neither. I am simply following the evidence.

[Tom Graves]

Neither. I am simply following the evidence.

Why doesn't the evidence lead you to accept the Single Bullet Hypothesis?

[Zeon Mason]

Neither the SBT nor Andrews 3 shots 3 hits theory, has an explanation for the CE399 bullet that’s so slightly deformed.

If it’s tumbling( or not?)  after exiting JFKs throat atZ194 it’s still traveling probably around 1500 ft/sec ( or more) because it was not likely slowed as much just going thru JFKs throat as in the SBT scenario where it also strikes JC in the back and exits at about 900 ft/ sec before it hits JCs wrist bone.

It might require repeating the 2003 Beyond Conspiracy documentary experiment to examine if a Z193 1st shot and a Z270 shot fired into some kind of matter that represents human body’s of JC and JFK will produce a bullet looking like CE 399.

[Tom Graves]

The SBT has no explanation for the CE-399's being so slightly deformed.

The only hard bone it hit was the radial bone in JBC's wrist. The surgeon who operated on it said it looked as though the bullet was twirling (my expression) and sideswiped the bone, which would explain why only the rear one-third or so of the bullet was deformed.