Tippit Debate

[Mitch Todd]

That doesn't even make sense.  Are you saying the Benavides/Bowley transmission was at 1:19 (police dispatcher time)?

JI: That doesn't even make sense.

It makes perfect sense if you actually stop to understand how the system worked. But you have to stop to think about it first


JI: Are you saying the Benavides/Bowley transmission was at 1:19 (police dispatcher time)?

I've already said a few posts ago in this thread that my analysis puts the beginning of the Bowley transmission at 1:17:54 +/- 10 seconds, so, no. You replied to that post. Do you not understand what you read, or are you deliberately trying to be obtuse?

[Bill Brown]

That doesn't even make sense.  Are you saying the Benavides/Bowley transmission was at 1:19 (police dispatcher time)?

Wow.  Just wow.

[John Iacoletti]

I've already said a few posts ago in this thread that my analysis puts the beginning of the Bowley transmission at 1:17:54 +/- 10 seconds

Only if you assume (without evidence) that the device was continuously recording between 1:16 and 1:19, and that the extant copies are an accurate representation of what was captured on the device. Not to mention the assumption that the dispatcher time announcements are accurate to begin with.

By the way, the transcript here indicates a 15 second pause right before the "hello police operator broadcast".

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm

[Mitch Todd]

Only if you assume (without evidence) that the device was continuously recording between 1:16 and 1:19, and that the extant copies are an accurate representation of what was captured on the device. Not to mention the assumption that the dispatcher time announcements are accurate to begin with.

By the way, the transcript here indicates a 15 second pause right before the "hello police operator broadcast".

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm

JI: Only if you assume (without evidence) that the device was continuously recording between 1:16 and 1:19

I don't assume that the recording ran continuously from 1:16 to 1:19, for exactly the reason you mention. I said that the recording is continuous from "Hello, Police Operator" to the seconds 1:19 transmission. That's why I started from the 1:19 transmissions and worked backwards. I've already explained why I say this.

[Zeon Mason]

Sorry, but can’t see how Bowleys watch which he says he looked at when reaching the scene , could be 7 minutes slow.

And Markams clock would have to be similarly 7 minutes slow.

So that’s why I at least was offering double timing for Oswald  so the timeline  can work without having to impeach major WC witnesses.

Did Calloway ever agree with anyone making a suggestion that he must of heard the shots fired at 1:15?

And there is that pesky 1:15 DOA by the emergency doctor which is MOT the same as a physicians “estimate” of when Tippit was shot. The DOA document is simply noting what the time of the hospital clock was when the doctor announced the body is dead. That clock also would have to be 7 minutes slow if you believe that the Bowleys radio call was made at 1:17.

[Mitch Todd]

Sorry, but can’t see how Bowleys watch which he says he looked at when reaching the scene , could be 7 minutes slow.

And Markams clock would have to be similarly 7 minutes slow.

So that’s why I at least was offering double timing for Oswald  so the timeline  can work without having to impeach major WC witnesses.

Did Calloway ever agree with anyone making a suggestion that he must of heard the shots fired at 1:15?

And there is that pesky 1:15 DOA by the emergency doctor which is MOT the same as a physicians “estimate” of when Tippit was shot. The DOA document is simply noting what the time of the hospital clock was when the doctor announced the body is dead. That clock also would have to be 7 minutes slow if you believe that the Bowleys radio call was made at 1:17.

As I've said before, we can't assume that everyone's clock was set to a specific time standard. In the days before NTP and quartz movement, you could reliably figure that any random clock you would see would be within 5 minutes of "real" time. Sometimes not even that. Bowley is quoted in Into the Nightmare as saying that his watch could be 5 minutes off. So, it could have been as late as 1:15 when Bowley's watch indicated 1:10. Also, the DPD clocks are not guaranteed to be exactly on time either, though they should generally be closer than Bowley's watch. Bowles said the dispatch center clocks were as much as 2 minutes off.

So if Bowey's watch is 5 minutes slow, and the channel one clock is two minutes fast, then 1:10 Bowley time is 1:15 "real" time and 1:17 on the channel one clock is also 1:15 "real" time, and there isn't a discrepancy.

As for Markham's  laundromat clock, I will say that I've never seen anyone set their watch to a laundromat clock. There may be a reason for that.

[John Iacoletti]

As I've said before, we can't assume that everyone's clock was set to a specific time standard.

Including the police dispatcher's clock.

Also, the DPD clocks are not guaranteed to be exactly on time either, though they should generally be closer than Bowley's watch. Bowles said the dispatch center clocks were as much as 2 minutes off.

No, what he actually wrote was "Therefore, it was not uncommon for the time stamped on calls to be a minute to two ahead or behind the "official" time shown on the master clock. Accordingly, at "exactly" 10:10, various clocks could be stamping from 10:08 to 10:12, for example. When clocks were as much as a minute or so out of synchronization it was normal procedure to make the needed adjustments. During busy periods this was not readily done."