That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge

[Royell Storing]

Important to whom? Maybe you haven't noticed but our country is at war, there is a critical midterm coming up that will decide control of Congress, and dozens of issues Americans care a hell of a lot more about than anything that goes on in this and a handful of other forums. If you were to put a number on the percentage of people who still care about the JFKA, how many zeros would there be to the right of the decimal point?

  And I continue to ask, "Why are you here"?

[John Mytton]

    John - Thanks for taking the time to give this Unknown Motorcycle Cop your attention. Your going out of your way to examine it reveals the importance of this issue.
              As I understand your post above, the Darnell Film still frame showing Walthers, Harkness, and HAYGOOD together, is happening when Haygood went to secure the dock, the "northeast corner" of the TSBD. And, you are claiming we are seeing HAYGOOD, Walthers, and Harkness together, AFTER Haygood made his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle parked close to the Triple Underpass. 
              With respect to your claim above, you have forgotten the Darnell Film still frame showing HAYGOOD, Walthers, & Harkness together is the END of Darnell's filming of the string of passenger train cars. When we first see the Alleged HAYGOOD on this Darnell passenger train cars snippet, HAYGOOD is standing at the very END of the string of passenger train cars. We also see Walthers in front of him at this same time. From the END of this string of passenger train cars, we then see Haygood walking alongside these passenger train cars. Haygood is filmed walking past passenger train car by passenger train car. And Walthers is also walking in front of him. (Both Darnell and Martin film this). The walking along the string of train cars goes on until both Haygood and Walthers reach Harkness. All 3 of them are then filmed together. When we 1st see HAYGOOD on the Darnell Film, he is standing in front of the very last passenger train car. At this point, Haygood is far closer to the grassy knoll, the picket fence, and the parking lot, than he is to the "northeast corner" of the TSBD. If as you claim, we are seeing HAYGOOD going to secure the TSBD "Northeast Corner" dock area after making his 12:37 radio transmission, why is Haygood deep inside the railroad yard and closer to the Triple Underpass than the TSBD "Northeast Corner" loading dock? The TSBD "northeast corner" loading dock is close to Houston St. The Darnell Film shows Haygood being halfway across Dealey Plaza and deep inside the railroad yard. He is not close to TSBD "Northeast corner" loading dock. Again, your claim is that we are seeing Haygood in this location AFTER he made his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle that was parked at the Elm St curb close to the Triple Underpass. Darnell filmed Walthers at that last passenger train car, after Walthers climbed over the picket fence, crossed the parking lot on the other side of the picket fence, and then went back inside the railroad yard. Do you believe this is how Haygood got back inside the railroad yard after making his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St curb near the triple underpass? Do you believe Haygood climbed over the picket fence, or he climbed over the Triple Underpass AGAIN? And why would Haygood take this route if his intended destination was the TSBD "Northeast corner" loading dock? This route to the TSBD loading dock makes no sense.
               On top of that, with Walthers being filmed with Haygood AFTER Haygood made his 12:37 radio transmission, you also have a timeline issue. Walthers was photo'd on the (S) side of Elm St checking out the manhole cover. In the background of that photo is the TSBD Clock. It reads 12:39. You have to get Walthers in this (S) Elm St position by 12:39.  None of this fits.
               If Haygood intended to go to the TSBD "Northeast corner" loading dock, (near Houston St), AFTER making his 12:37 radio transmission, why was he filmed by Darnell deep inside the railroad yard, close to the grassy knoll, picket fence, parking lot?         

The distances being travelled were not very far, you make out like they were trying to climb Everest!

By taking the following path from Haywood's bike to the first time he's seen in Darnell, is at the most about 60-70 yards.



And the distance for Walthers to basically walk down and cross the road was about the same. If the time stamp was less than 12:37 then we might have trouble but every established event happened in chronological order and with enough time between to account for travelling!



Mr. WALTHERS. And at that time I heard the shots as well as everybody else, but as we got over this fence, and a lot of officers and people were just rummaging through the train yards back in this parking area.
Mr. LIEBELER. In the parking area down there? West of the Texas School Book Depository Building between the Texas School Book Depository and the railroad tracks?
Mr. WALTHERS. Yes; and the discussion came up among several of the officers, "Were there any shots fired?" And I said, "Well, they sounded like rifle shots to me." At the time no one knew---in our crowd they were sure the shots had been fired though because of the reports---we heard the noise, and I left then and went back up here and came back onto the street.
Mr. LIEBELER. Up on Elm Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. And went over on this grassy area right in here [indicating].
Mr. LIEBELER. Between Elm Street and Main Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. Between Elm and Main and starting to looking at the grass to see if some shots had been fired and some of them might have chugged into this turf here and it would give an indication if some had really been, if they were really shots and not just blanks or something, and a man, and I couldn't tell you his name if my life depended on it---he had a car parked right here in Main Street---in the Main Street lane headed east, just under this underpass.

And as seen everyone was walking with some pace, it wasn't a Mother's meeting, they all were trying to find something, anything! But alas there was nothing to be found because all the action happened on the 6th floor of the TSBD and this is supported by ALL the evidence from the ballistic evidence through to the medical evidence.



JohnM

[John Mytton]

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[Tom Graves]

And I continue to ask, "Why are you here[, John Corbett]"?

Dear Royell,

He's here to "own" the Libtard CTs.

Why are you here?

Because Vladimir Putin sent you here to cause social discord?

--Tom

[John Corbett]

  And I continue to ask, "Why are you here"?

Because it is a subject that interests me. I gave up long ago thinking my efforts were going to move the needle of public opinion and that was back when the JFKA forums had far more followers than they do now. I may be painting with a broad brush but my guess is that the overwhelming percentage of contributors to these forums on both sides of the conspiracy question are Boomers who are old enough to remember the assassination when it happened.

We are now separated from the JFKA by as much time as the JFKA was separated from the McKinley assassination. I knew what happened to MicKinley but ii was just a brief passage in my history book. It was not something I had any real connection with. The Lincoln assassination seemed far more relevant to me. I doubt most young people today have any more connection to the JFKA as I did with the McKinley assassination. If they have any connection at all that is probably due to Oliver Stone's movie and that doesn't make them more informed, it makes them misinformed. I wonder how many Gen-Zerss have even seen that stinking pile of crap.

[Tommy Shanks]

And thanks to John Mytton, Royell Storing's nonsense about fake policeman has been demolished!

[Royell Storing]

The distances being travelled were not very far, you make out like they were trying to climb Everest!

By taking the following path from Haywood's bike to the first time he's seen in Darnell, is at the most about 60-70 yards.



And the distance for Walthers to basically walk down and cross the road was about the same. If the time stamp was less than 12:37 then we might have trouble but every established event happened in chronological order and with enough time between to account for travelling!



Mr. WALTHERS. And at that time I heard the shots as well as everybody else, but as we got over this fence, and a lot of officers and people were just rummaging through the train yards back in this parking area.
Mr. LIEBELER. In the parking area down there? West of the Texas School Book Depository Building between the Texas School Book Depository and the railroad tracks?
Mr. WALTHERS. Yes; and the discussion came up among several of the officers, "Were there any shots fired?" And I said, "Well, they sounded like rifle shots to me." At the time no one knew---in our crowd they were sure the shots had been fired though because of the reports---we heard the noise, and I left then and went back up here and came back onto the street.
Mr. LIEBELER. Up on Elm Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. And went over on this grassy area right in here [indicating].
Mr. LIEBELER. Between Elm Street and Main Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. Between Elm and Main and starting to looking at the grass to see if some shots had been fired and some of them might have chugged into this turf here and it would give an indication if some had really been, if they were really shots and not just blanks or something, and a man, and I couldn't tell you his name if my life depended on it---he had a car parked right here in Main Street---in the Main Street lane headed east, just under this underpass.

And as seen everyone was walking with some pace, it wasn't a Mother's meeting, they all were trying to find something, anything! But alas there was nothing to be found because all the action happened on the 6th floor of the TSBD and this is supported by ALL the evidence from the ballistic evidence through to the medical evidence.



JohnM

     The major problem with your story is that Haygood NEVER Testified that he made 2 separate trips back inside the railroad yard. Never! And why if his intended destination was the TSBD loading dock, would he go ALL the way back inside the railroad yard? He could have just exited the parking lot, hugged the Pergola, and then straight across to the loading dock/Houston St. And the 1,000 lb gorilla in the room is why Haygood would not just use his motorcycle to reach the TSBD loading dock off of Houston St? Why would Haygood climb the grassy knoll AGAIN, scale the Triple Underpass AGAIN, or climb over the picket fence, and then go deep into the railroad yard? Why not just use his motorcycle?
     The Darnell Film clip you are using is why I asked you to check with Steve Barber regarding what the motorcycle cop is holding in his (L) hand. All things being relative, that Darnell copy is wanting. This limited definition is why you think he is holding a glove. Your seeing things blurred. And, I your copy has been sped up too. Watching it is kinda comical. It has a "fractured flickers" look to it. Buster Keatonish during his silent film years.
     Barber previously posted a Darnell still frame, (now MIA), that had very good definition. The still frame he posted was a frame from the sequence where the motorcycle cop was walking past Officer Harkness. The motorcycle cop's (L) hand and whatever was in it was visible in that still frame. Maybe Steve has other Darnell still frames showing this (L) hand? The 2 of you might be able to figure out what is in that (L) hand by examining numerous frames?  At a minimum, he can tell you what he see's on his Darnell copy,