Sy Hersh: Biden ordered German pipeline sabotage

[Richard Smith]

Just too bad that the Danish authorities have released information that, in the days prior to the explosions, a Russian ship was sighted near the site.

So much for "common sense"

Imagine a Russian ship in the Baltic in "the days prior to the explosion"!  I guess that resolves the issue.  Nothing to see and no need to apply logic.  HA HA HA.  We finally have an example of what a contrarian accepts to be conclusive evidence of a fact.  Something never provided in the JFK assassination.

[Martin Weidmann]

Doesn't prove anything.

No one doubts that Russia has the capability an opportunities. The problem is they lack a motive and they even tried unsuccessfully to repair the pipelines. They've also been more outspoken than other countries in calling for an international investigation.

Do you even know the story? I seriously doubt it.

Having said that, of course does the presence of that particular Russian ship not prove it was the Russians. It just means that the Russians can not be ruled out as you seem to be so eager to do.

Imagine a Russian ship in the Baltic in "the days prior to the explosion"!  I guess that resolves the issue.  Nothing to see and no need to apply logic.  HA HA HA.  We finally have an example of what a contrarian accepts to be conclusive evidence of a fact.  Something never provided in the JFK assassination.

You don't even know what kind of ship it was and as per usual you talk about things you know absolutely nothing about.

I don't consider the ship's presence conclusive evidence of anything. That just you, making stuff up again.

Here, read (or try to) and learn;

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65461401

or watch a video, if you prefer;

[Jon Banks]

Do you even know the story? I seriously doubt it.

You don't even know what kind of ship it was and as per usual you talk about things you know absolutely nothing about.

I've read articles about it. Saw photos of the Russian ship. It's not proof of anything.

I also can't prove that Biden ordered the pipeline sabotage. I just intuitively believe it was the US based on motive, means, and opportunity.

I documented in this thread how the US has opposed the German-Russian pipelines for almost 20 years.

Hersh and others noted how Biden said he would "end nord stream" if Russia invaded Ukraine. When asked "how" he would do that, he didn't give an answer. That press conference happened shortly before Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

So whether you agree with my conclusion or not, the US is and should be a suspect...

[Martin Weidmann]

I've read articles about it. Saw photos of the Russian ship. It's not proof of anything.

I also can't prove that Biden ordered the pipeline sabotage. I just intuitively believe it was the US based on motive, means, and opportunity.

I documented in this thread how the US has opposed the German-Russian pipelines for almost 20 years.

Hersh and others noted how Biden said he would "end nord stream" if Russia invaded Ukraine. When asked "how" he would do that, he didn't give an answer. That press conference happened shortly before Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

So whether you agree with my conclusion or not, the US is and should be a suspect...

So whether you agree with it or not, the Russians can not be ruled out either...

[Jon Banks]

So whether you agree with it or not, the Russians can not be ruled out either...

Anything is possible but let's say I view the Russians among the least likely suspects in this case.

The NY Times and other western news outlets reported months ago that the intelligence agencies have little evidence pointing to Russian culpability for what it's worth:

Some initial U.S. and European speculation centered on possible Russian culpability, especially given its prowess in undersea operations, though it is unclear what motivation the Kremlin would have in sabotaging the pipelines given that they have been an important source of revenue and a means for Moscow to exert influence over Europe. One estimate put the cost of repairing the pipelines starting at about $500 million. U.S. officials say they have not found any evidence of involvement by the Russian government in the attack.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html

[Martin Weidmann]

Anything is possible but let's say I view the Russians among the least likely suspects in this case.

The NY Times and other western news outlets reported months ago that the intelligence agencies have little evidence pointing to Russian culpability for what it's worth:

Some initial U.S. and European speculation centered on possible Russian culpability, especially given its prowess in undersea operations, though it is unclear what motivation the Kremlin would have in sabotaging the pipelines given that they have been an important source of revenue and a means for Moscow to exert influence over Europe. One estimate put the cost of repairing the pipelines starting at about $500 million. U.S. officials say they have not found any evidence of involvement by the Russian government in the attack.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html

Anything is possible but let's say I view the Russians among the least likely suspects in this case.

And what makes your theory superior to other theories? Let me be clear, I haven't got a clue who was really behind it, nor do I really care. But the mere fact that you can't think of a possible motive for Russia being responsable isn't very convincing.

You don't find it remarkable that several Russian Navy ships equiped for underwater operations were seen near the location of the explosions? Just a coincidence, perhaps?

[Jon Banks]

You don't find it remarkable that several Russian Navy ships equiped for underwater operations were seen near the location of the explosions? Just a coincidence, perhaps?

Let me throw that back at you.

Do you honestly believe:

A) that Russia would use their own naval ship to destroy infrastructure in waters patrolled by several NATO countries without expecting to get caught?

and

B) that NATO wasn't surveilling the movements of the Russian naval ship nine months ago when the sabotage happened?

You'd have to be naïve to believe the above two points.

And yes, the lack of a motive weighs heavy in my conclusion that it probably wasn't Russia. They spent billions to build both pipelines and lost what little leverage they had over Germany when the pipelines were destroyed.