Sy Hersh: Biden ordered German pipeline sabotage

[Martin Weidmann]

No one said Ukraine Joe is stealing this money.  Try reading.  It is being stolen and misused in the way that billions were stolen and misused by the so called COVID relief (as documented by Biden's own administration).  Mostly by corrupt Ukranians and US military contractors.  And the Germans weren't forced to hand over a few tanks?  They did kicking and screaming ONLY after the US agreed to send tanks.  LOL. 

Newsweek (Jan. 23 headline):

Despite mounting pressure from the international community, the German government has so far been reluctant to provide Ukraine with high-powered Leopard 2 tanks in its ongoing fight against invading Russian forces, even as other countries have begun ramping up military aid to the war-torn country.

And the Germans weren't forced to hand over a few tanks?

Germany had a law in place that did not allow supplying weapons to countries involved in a war. The war dates back to the aftermath of WWII. They had to change the law and ultimately did so because there was a majority in their parlement to do so. Did the international community want them to change the law? Sure, but they made the decision and were not forced to do so, as you foolishly claimed.

[Richard Smith]

And the Germans weren't forced to hand over a few tanks?

Germany had a law in place that did not allow supplying weapons to countries involved in a war. The war dates back to the aftermath of WWII. They had to change the law and ultimately did so because there was a majority in their parlement to do so. Did the international community want them to change the law? Sure, but they made the decision and were not forced to do so, as you foolishly claimed.

LOL.  Why did other countries have to pressure them to do this?  That is simply a fact as stated by numerous countries and press reports.  Why didn't they go ahead and do it voluntarily months beforehand?  They made no effort to provide these tanks until the international community (mostly the US) pressured them to do so.  And then they only agreed if the US would also provide tanks.  The Germans have been reluctant to provide any support to Ukraine.   Instead they are letting the US bear the burden.   I don't blame them.  If Ukraine Joe and corrupt political establishment in the US are stupid enough to repeat this same mistake again, then why should Germany do anything? 

[Martin Weidmann]

LOL.  Why did other countries have to pressure them to do this?  That is simply a fact as stated by numerous countries and press reports.  Why didn't they go ahead and do it voluntarily months beforehand?  They made no effort to provide these tanks until the international community (mostly the US) pressured them to do so.  And then they only agreed if the US would also provide tanks.  The Germans have been reluctant to provide any support to Ukraine.   Instead they are letting the US bear the burden.   I don't blame them.  If Ukraine Joe and corrupt political establishment in the US are stupid enough to repeat this same mistake again, then why should Germany do anything?

They made no effort to provide these tanks until the international community (mostly the US) pressured them to do so.

Again, simply not true. It was a delicate matter for the Germans and they were indeed hestitant to cross that line, which is why they first released other countries, like Poland and Spain, from the obligation not to sell or hand over German made weapons to a country at war.

And then they only agreed if the US would also provide tanks.

The vote in the German parlement did not rely on this at all. It may well have been part of international negotiations, but ultimately it was the Germans who decided to change their own law.

Funny enough, you are constantly complaining about Biden's administration, yet here you seem to praise them from telling the Germans what to do.

The Germans have been reluctant to provide any support to Ukraine.

Oh boy... after three wars in less than a century, they did not want to be drawn into another militairy conflict. It's for the same reason that NATO is treading lightly.

Instead they are letting the US bear the burden. 

No matter how often you say this, it's still not true.

[Richard Smith]

They made no effort to provide these tanks until the international community (mostly the US) pressured them to do so.

Again, simply not true. It was a delicate matter for the Germans and they were indeed hestitant to cross that line, which is why they first released other countries, like Poland and Spain, from the obligation not to sell or hand over German made weapons to a country at war.

And then they only agreed if the US would also provide tanks.

The vote in the German parlement did not rely on this at all. It may well have been part of international negotiations, but ultimately it was the Germans who decided to change their own law.

Funny enough, you are constantly complaining about Biden's administration, yet here you seen to praise them from telling the Germans what to do.

The Germans have been reluctant to provide any support to Ukraine.

Oh boy... after three wars in less than a century, they did not want to be drawn into another militairy conflict. It's for the same reason that NATO is treading lightly.

Instead they are letting the US bear the burden. 

No matter how often you say this, it's still not true.

So the Germans were reluctant to provide these tanks and had to be pressured to do so whatever the reason.  From past experience they understandably don't want to be drawn into this conflict.  Unfortunately, the US never learned that lesson.   Even after Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.  The same story repeated over and over.  Ukraine Joe just got out of Afghanistan - albeit in the most disgrace and incompetent way - and allowed himself to be drawn into another endless conflict by exactly the same people who supported these previous foreign policy disasters. 

[Martin Weidmann]

So the Germans were reluctant to provide these tanks and had to be pressured to do so whatever the reason.  From past experience they understandably don't want to be drawn into this conflict.  Unfortunately, the US never learned that lesson.   Even after Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.  The same story repeated over and over.  Ukraine Joe just got out of Afghanistan - albeit in the most disgrace and incompetent way - and allowed himself to be drawn into another endless conflict by exactly the same people who supported these previous foreign policy disasters.

So the Germans were reluctant to provide these tanks and had to be pressured to do so whatever the reason.

Once again you are making up your own "reality", as you have been doing so many times before. Have fun with it!

[Richard Smith]

So the Germans were reluctant to provide these tanks and had to be pressured to do so whatever the reason.

Once again you are making up your own "reality", as you have been doing so many times before. Have fun with it!

Just reading what you wrote. 

"It was a delicate matter for the Germans and they were indeed hestitant to cross that line"

 "after three wars in less than a century, they did not want to be drawn into another militairy conflict. It's for the same reason that NATO is treading lightly."

Again, I'm not criticizing the Germans and NATO countries.  In fact, the opposite.  There is good reason to be "hesitant" when getting involved in an endless regional conflict.  The US never learns that lesson or the corrupt politicians intentionally disregard it to gain access to billions of dollars.  Either way another disaster in the works.  The disputed regions of Ukraine are now a moonscape. 

[Martin Weidmann]

Just reading what you wrote. 

"It was a delicate matter for the Germans and they were indeed hestitant to cross that line"

 "after three wars in less than a century, they did not want to be drawn into another militairy conflict. It's for the same reason that NATO is treading lightly."

Again, I'm not criticizing the Germans and NATO countries.  In fact, the opposite.  There is good reason to be "hesitant" when getting involved in an endless regional conflict.  The US never learns that lesson or the corrupt politicians intentionally disregard it to gain access to billions of dollars.  Either way another disaster in the works.  The disputed regions of Ukraine are now a moonscape.

What you are not getting is that the Germans were not pressured to change their own law. They did so, although reluctant, because they understood the need and urgency to do so. When the Balkan war was going on they refused to supply weapons because it was a regional conflict. This time around the implications of Putin not being stopped dead in his tracks were simply to great for them. They, Nato and Biden understand what you don't. You just are happy to trade human lives for (saving) money.

And, you may find this disturbing, but the Russian advance in Bakhmut has now been halted, the Wagner group is admitting to heavy losses, Ukraine forces are now advancing at Melitopol (which will allow them to cut of Russian supply lines to Crimea) and Putin is now admitting that the economic sanctions are taking their toll on his country. The U.K. has now supplied tanks to Ukraine, as have Poland and Germany. It may take a while but the right side is winning... and all you can do is complain about how much money the US is putting into it. It's pathetic!