Sy Hersh: Biden ordered German pipeline sabotage

[Joe Elliott]

Six Russian naval vessels 'detected near site of Nord Stream pipeline five days before sabotage'
Story by Elizabeth Haigh

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/six-russian-naval-vessels-detected-near-site-of-nord-stream-pipeline-five-days-before-sabotage/ar-AA196pTH?cvid=57fa2d8a02674ce1b05461fb1c0bdd9d&ei=25

Of course, Jon Banks and others would like us to believe that it was just a coincidence that there were Russia ships in the vicinity of the pipeline explosions in the Baltic. And it is also just a coincidence that this fleet contained a ship which carries a mini submarine capable of such a mission.

That the Russians wouldn't blow up their own pipeline any more than the Nazi's would burn down their own Reichstag.

[Jon Banks]

Of course, Jon Banks and others would like us to believe that it was just a coincidence that there were Russia ships in the vicinity of the pipeline explosions in the Baltic. And it is also just a coincidence that this fleet contained a ship which carries a mini submarine capable of such a mission.

Your guess is as good as everyone else's.

What's clear is that there was a conspiracy. This isn't the job of one person.

The remaining questions are: who had the means to sabotage three underwater pipelines simultaneously in waters patrolled by NATO and Baltic countries?

US and German intelligence apparently don't think the Russians blew up their own pipeline.

It's possible that a pro-Ukraine group did it independent of State-backing, as noted recently in the Press but I stand by my view that a State actor had to be involved given the complexity of such an operation.

[Richard Smith]

Six Russian naval vessels 'detected near site of Nord Stream pipeline five days before sabotage'
Story by Elizabeth Haigh

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/six-russian-naval-vessels-detected-near-site-of-nord-stream-pipeline-five-days-before-sabotage/ar-AA196pTH?cvid=57fa2d8a02674ce1b05461fb1c0bdd9d&ei=25

Of course, Jon Banks and others would like us to believe that it was just a coincidence that there were Russia ships in the vicinity of the pipeline explosions in the Baltic. And it is also just a coincidence that this fleet contained a ship which carries a mini submarine capable of such a mission.

That the Russians wouldn't blow up their own pipeline any more than the Nazi's would burn down their own Reichstag.

There are always Russian ships in that area.  That would be like noting that there were American ships near Hawaii.  And, of course, the best evidence is that the Nazis didn't burn down the Reichstag.  They only took advantage of the act of a Commie arsonist (we have similar acts in the US where leftist radicals try to burn down public buildings).  Are you saying that the Russians could pull this operation off right under the noses of the US intelligence and NATO and they don't have proof with all their intelligence capabilities?  And unlike your Reichstag example, the Russians have never used the pipeline attack as a pretext for taking any retaliatory act.  It was Old Joe Biden who promised to "end" the pipeline if the Russians invaded Ukraine. 

[Martin Weidmann]

There are always Russian ships in that area.  That would be like noting that there were American ships near Hawaii.  And, of course, the best evidence is that the Nazis didn't burn down the Reichstag.  They only took advantage of the act of a Commie arsonist (we have similar acts in the US where leftist radicals try to burn down public buildings).  Are you saying that the Russians could pull this operation off right under the noses of the US intelligence and NATO and they don't have proof with all their intelligence capabilities?  And unlike your Reichstag example, the Russians have never used the pipeline attack as a pretext for taking any retaliatory act.  It was Old Joe Biden who promised to "end" the pipeline if the Russians invaded Ukraine.

There are always Russian ships in that area.

With mini-submarines on board? How in the world would you even know that? Have you been there often or are you just repeating pro-Russia propaganda again?

Are you saying that the Russians could pull this operation off right under the noses of the US intelligence and NATO

Well, somebody was able to pull it off.

[Richard Smith]

Are you saying that the Russians could pull this operation off right under the noses of the US intelligence and NATO

Well, somebody was able to pull it off.

Wow.  Such a valuable contribution.  Maybe it was Dr. Evil and mini-me?   You do raise one point.  The best argument against it being Ukraine Joe being behind this is that it actually got blown up.  If bungling Joe and his cast of clowns tried to pull it off, they likely would have blown up their own ships.  Biden and his leftist propagandists are adept at half truths.  Which means the US likely didn't actually push the button.  They only facilitated the whole effort, and some NATO country denoted the explosion.  So Biden can say that he didn't do it.  And when the truth comes out years from now, his apologists will say that he never claimed Russia blew up its own pipeline etc.  Alice-in-Wonderland logic.   Round and round it goes.

[Joe Elliott]

There are always Russian ships in that area.  That would be like noting that there were American ships near Hawaii.

Yes. But always ships that carry a mini submarine that is perfect for the job?

And, of course, the best evidence is that the Nazis didn't burn down the Reichstag.  They only took advantage of the act of a Commie arsonist (we have similar acts in the US where leftist radicals try to burn down public buildings).

Yes. But the larger point is that it's not impossible for a state to 'attack' itself. In 1939, Germany launched a fake 'attack' against a German radio station, staging it to look like a Polish attack across the border, to justify Germany's invasion of Poland. Sometimes states can 'attack' themselves.

Wouldn't it be simpler for Russia to just shut off the gas flow? Yes. But blowing it up serves two purposes.

1. Shuts of Germany from the gas flow.

2. Shows Germany that Russia is capable of anything. Watch out. Think extra carefully about sending military aid to Ukraine.

Are you saying that the Russians could pull this operation off right under the noses of the US intelligence and NATO and they don't have proof with all their intelligence capabilities?  And unlike your Reichstag example, the Russians have never used the pipeline attack as a pretext for taking any retaliatory act.  It was Old Joe Biden who promised to "end" the pipeline if the Russians invaded Ukraine.

Are you saying it's possible for the U. S. to pull this operation right under the noses of Russian intelligence, even with Russian ships in the area?

Obviously someone did pull this off under the noses of either the U. S. or Russia. Or Both. And it's not like this is impossible. It's not like the United States, or Russia, is constantly observing and recording every meter of the pipeline. It is certainly possible for Russia to do this. And very suspicious that they not only have Russian ships in the area, but the precise type of Russian ship that carries a mini submarine which is perfect for the operation.

Why Russia would not be considered the leading candidate in blowing up the pipeline is beyond me.

[Richard Smith]

Yes. But always ships that carry a mini submarine that is perfect for the job?

Yes. But the larger point is that it's not impossible for a state to 'attack' itself. In 1939, Germany launched a fake 'attack' against a German radio station, staging it to look like a Polish attack across the border, to justify Germany's invasion of Poland. Sometimes states can 'attack' themselves.

Wouldn't it be simpler for Russia to just shut off the gas flow? Yes. But blowing it up serves two purposes.

1. Shuts of Germany from the gas flow.

2. Shows Germany that Russia is capable of anything. Watch out. Think extra carefully about sending military aid to Ukraine.

Are you saying it's possible for the U. S. to pull this operation right under the noses of Russian intelligence, even with Russian ships in the area?

Obviously someone did pull this off under the noses of either the U. S. or Russia. Or Both. And it's not like this is impossible. It's not like the United States, or Russia, is constantly observing and recording every meter of the pipeline. It is certainly possible for Russia to do this. And very suspicious that they not only have Russian ships in the area, but the precise type of Russian ship that carries a mini submarine which is perfect for the operation.

Why Russia would not be considered the leading candidate in blowing up the pipeline is beyond me.

The German example you cite was to create a provocation for an invasion.  The Germans created false reasons for an invasion.  That makes no sense in this context since the Russians had already invaded Ukraine.  The pipeline was destroyed AFTER the invasion.  Russia never suggested or used the pipeline incident as a justification for invading Ukraine or any other purpose.  In contrast, Joe Biden said before the invasion that if Russia invaded Ukraine, he would END this particular pipeline.  Russia invaded Ukraine and the pipeline was blown up.   This scenario fits perfectly with NATO, led by the US, destroying the pipeline in retaliation of the Russian invasion.  Either the British or Poles taking the lead.