Now What Mr. Trump?

[Richard Smith]

You continue to falsely claim that "Democrats shut down the entire country to destroy our economy" and that is just pure disinformation.

Republican Governors like Abbott and DeSantis closed businesses and schools to prevent the spread of the virus and more deaths that were occurring in mass numbers. Are you going to blame them too for closing businesses to stop more deaths from occurring?             

And for your information, entire states were never completely "shut down". Grocery stores remained open and restaurants were open for take out. Non essential businesses were closed. People were advised to stay home to stop the spread of the virus. That's what you do in a pandemic. ALL major countries did the same exact thing, but you're trying to make it out to be controversial when it's not, and you're falsely accusing Democrats of "shutting down" the United States when that never happened.     

Gov. Abbott Declares Disaster, Closes Schools, Bars, Gyms Statewide, Restaurants “To Go” Only
March 19, 2020
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/gov-greg-abbott-to-detail-latest-in-covid-19-fight-thursday-at-noon/2334290/

Gov. DeSantis orders schools closed rest of academic year
April 19, 2020
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/328896-florida-students-will-continue-distance-learning-through-rest-of-school-year/

Sorry, those are not the facts.

States that adopted "vote by mail" mailed a ballot to every single registered voter in the state. How is there an advantage for that? There was no "advantage" for Republicans or Democrats. Anyone who wanted to vote had an easy opportunity to vote. There was no "advantage" for any political party. 

Then that registered voter needed to fill out the ballot and mail it back before the deadline or drop it off at their voting location on election day.

In fact, if a person didn't want to vote by mail they simply could have voted in person at their voting location.     

Oregon and Colorado strictly vote by mail and there is no "advantage" for any political party in those states.

Those are the facts.

So what if they hated Trump? That's their own choice to hate him or like him.     
   

Sorry, no "outcome was changed".

The fact is, Trump fans can't admit to losing the 2020 election, they falsely believe he's invincible, so they make up falsehoods like this to feel better about themselves. This same nonsense was argued in court by Trump's lawyers and even his own handpicked appointed judges threw these bogus claims out because they are ridiculous.   

The "people did not want Trump". If the people wanted Trump, then he would have won the election instead of losing in a blowout.

Trump never led in one national poll for the entire 2020 election campaign because he was massively unpopular.

In fact, the same states that went blue in 2020, also went blue in 2022 for Senate in the midterm election (except for Wisconsin) so no outcome was ever changed in 2020. The voting trends in 2022 were almost identical to 2020 and it will also be the same for 2024.   

And for the record, Republicans in every state voted absentee for years which is perfectly legal. 

President Biden received more votes than any presidential candidate in history which is why he is our president today.           

I have no problem with states making it easier for people to vote. More people need to be voting anyway. And if the candidate of my choice doesn't get enough votes to win, then that's how it goes. Mailing ballots to registered voters does not "change the outcome of an election" because it gives everybody an equal opportunity to vote regardless of their political preference.   

Trump tried to steal the election from the American people by using fake electors and trying to usurp the power from individual states after he lost the election. Then he incited an insurrection trying to stop the vote certification and the peaceful transfer of power, which is why he's going to be indicted for that along with his co-conspirators.

It was Donald Trump and his Republican co-conspirators who attempted to change the outcome of a national election against the will of the people and they failed.     

So many words.  You are really going to quibble with the characterization that the country was shutdown during the pandemic?  LOL.   It doesn't mean absolutely every business was shut down.  The revisionist history and hypocrisy are astounding.  We were told for two years by Dems that masks, social distancing, and closing of most businesses and all other activities was absolutely necessary.  That destroyed the robust economy.  Then the clown show Biden compounded that disaster by pouring hundreds of billions into the hands of individuals who spent the money on goods and services for which he had ensured by his doomed policies that there were no workers to respond.   Leading to hyperinflation that has crushed America.  The 2020 election was decided in a handful of states by a very small margin of votes.  That is just a demonstrable fact.  The margin of difference in those states was the direct result of changes in the election laws in the months leading up to the election.  Republicans did change those laws in some states.  Many did so because Trump threatened the corrupt establishment.  It's not just a Republican and Democrat issue when it comes to Trump.  Trump is not controlled by the establishment like Romney and most others.  So they went along with those changes and that was the difference in the election.  This is not an opinion but is proven by the data.  Biden received the vast majority of the votes that were the result of new voting methods implementing just before the election.  That margin made the difference.  It was a statistical outlier because Biden received the most votes in history despite being a terrible candidate.   Trump overstates this outcome by claiming the election was stolen.  It was not stolen but the changes made the election questionable.  Biden and his clown show are too stupid to have stolen the election.

[Rick Plant]

So many words.  You are really going to quibble with the characterization that the country was shutdown during the pandemic?  LOL.   It doesn't mean absolutely every business was shut down.  The revisionist history and hypocrisy are astounding.

You falsely said "Democrats shut the down the entire country" and that is disinformation.   

We were told for two years by Dems that masks, social distancing, and closing of most businesses and all other activities was absolutely necessary.  That destroyed the robust economy.

You're posting falsehoods again.

Democrats followed the advice of scientists and medical experts on what to do in a pandemic which saved millions of lives.   

Republicans Governors closed businesses in their states. Why aren't you blaming them?

The economy was not "robust". Manufacturing was already in a recession and the U.S. economy was on the verge of one before the pandemic. You keep ignoring this fact.

U.S. manufacturing is in a recession. What does that mean for the rest of the country?
September 6, 2019
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-manufacturing-is-in-a-recession-what-about-the-rest-of-the-country/

Recession warning 2019: why everybody's worried yet again
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/8/15/20806882/recession-warning-yield-curve-stock-market-dow

Then the clown show Biden compounded that disaster by pouring hundreds of billions into the hands of individuals who spent the money on goods and services for which he had ensured by his doomed policies that there were no workers to respond.   Leading to hyperinflation that has crushed America.

 

More disinformation.

You mean the clown show Trump Administration, because the billions of dollars in money occurred on his watch in March 2020 BEFORE President Biden was in office.   

"The program, established by the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act, aka CARES, began in March 2020 to help small businesses affected by COVID-19 cover payrolls and, in some cases, hire back employees who were laid off. Companies across the country received $787.2 billion in loans, the Small Business Administration said."

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/09/06/fact-check-ppp-loans-forgiven-republicans-matt-gaetz-marjorie-taylor-greene/65470173007/


"The bulk of the potential losses are from the two SBA programs and another to provide unemployment benefits to workers suddenly unemployed by the economic upheaval caused by the pandemic. The three initiatives were begun during the Trump administration and inherited by President Joe Biden."

"Gene Sperling, a senior White House official overseeing pandemic relief spending, said in a interview Tuesday that 86% of the fraud, or potential fraud, in the emergency loan programs happened during the first nine months of the pandemic when President Donald Trump was in office."

https://apnews.com/article/pandemic-covid19-fraud-small-business-inspector-general-7e651b3e405863f0be9f2e34ca47b93e

The 2020 election was decided in a handful of states by a very small margin of votes.  That is just a demonstrable fact.  The margin of difference in those states was the direct result of changes in the election laws in the months leading up to the election.  Republicans did change those laws in some states.  Many did so because Trump threatened the corrupt establishment.  It's not just a Republican and Democrat issue when it comes to Trump.  Trump is not controlled by the establishment like Romney and most others.  So they went along with those changes and that was the difference in the election.  This is not an opinion but is proven by the data.  Biden received the vast majority of the votes that were the result of new voting methods implementing just before the election.  That margin made the difference.  It was a statistical outlier because Biden received the most votes in history despite being a terrible candidate. Trump overstates this outcome by claiming the election was stolen.  It was not stolen but the changes made the election questionable.  Biden and his clown show are too stupid to have stolen the election.

Keep telling yourself that. Trump was overwhelmingly unpopular and lost by 7 million votes.   

[Rick Plant]

More upcoming indictments for Mr. Trump.

Grand jury that could indict Trump in Georgia is being picked

We’re entering Fulton County DA Fani Willis’ specified timeline for possible charges in her election interference probe.

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/georgia-grand-jury-selected-2020-election-interference-trump-rcna93617

[Rick Plant]

Trump facing 100 years in prison

Watch:

[Mark A. Oblazney]

so, did he ever get elected?  or still in some fever dream ? dreaming of Golden Arches

with an eagle on top, like a gold cherry on a Sunday.  build it and they will come.  by the hundreds of thousands. 

gonna have fun removing his name from EVERYTHING !! Mondial !

[John Corbett]

These old threads can be hilarious. I guess the schmuck who started this thread is unaware of the fact the Democrats not only invented gerrymandering, they mastered it. That's why there are states where they get 60% of the vote but have 100% of the congressional seats.

As for the clown who predicted 100 years in jail for Trump, how's that working out?