The Position of the Bolt on the MC

[Charles Collins]

This guy puts in a single round in an empty MC AND into an MC with a full clip:

Thanks, this shows that Frazier was correct regarding loading single shots. It doesn't appear to me that this guy actually loaded seven cartridges. But I believe that he did show how it could be done. It is a little trickier than it was for me on more modern guns. I attribute that to the size and shape of the extractor. Here is a screenshot from the video that gives us a better idea of what it is than the diagrams do.





I think I have a better idea of where Walt is coming from now. Thanks again!

[Walt Cakebread]

This guy puts in a single round in an empty MC AND into an MC with a full clip:

This guy puts in a single round in an empty MC AND into an MC with a full clip:

COUNT the cartridges....He has FIVE in the clip and ONE that he manipulates into the face of the bolt WITH THE CLIP OUT of the rifle....I've always said that the single round MUST be fed to the face of the bolt from BELOW the bolt....and that's exactly what he does.    But he couldnt then oprn the bolt and insert a full clip of six rounds without extracting the one that he placed in the chamber...

[Jim Hawthorn]

I think I have a better idea of where Walt is coming from now. Thanks again!

I haven't. The fact that one unfired round was found in the chamber is no big deal. The absence of scratches from the elevator would be one thing but how to know if scratches are left every time on every MC?

[Walt Cakebread]

Thanks, this shows that Frazier was correct regarding loading single shots. It doesn't appear to me that this guy actually loaded seven cartridges. But I believe that he did show how it could be done. It is a little trickier than it was for me on more modern guns. I attribute that to the size and shape of the extractor. Here is a screenshot from the video that gives us a better idea of what it is than the diagrams do.





I think I have a better idea of where Walt is coming from now. Thanks again!

The guy mentions the extractor several times...Because he knows the the extractor is the problem in attempting to load seven rounds .....That extractor MUST be seated behind the rim of the cartridge.....If a person attempts  to drop a cartridge into the barrel and then close the bolt that extractor has no room to cam up and over the rim of the cartridge..( he says that) .f you watch the guy he manipulates the cartridge into the annular space on the face of the bolt  IN THE RECEIVER.... With no clip in the rifle. which allows him plenty of room to manipulate the  single cartridge.   

LOOK at the face of the bolt as he holds the bolt up to the camera.....SEE that extractor??.... When that bolt is in the firing chamber and locked around the rim of a cartridge  that extractor will not allow the bolt to close and latch on a cartridge in the chamber.

I understand that this is all very confusing for someone who doesn't have a carcano to experiment with...and most folks would believe an FBI agent before they would believe their own eyes.

[Walt Cakebread]

I haven't. The fact that one unfired round was found in the chamber is no big deal. The absence of scratches from the elevator would be one thing but how to know if scratches are left every time on every MC?

The fact that one unfired round was found in the chamber is no big deal.

You could not be more wrong!.... That live round that DROPPED OUT    DROPPED OUT of the carcano and fell at the feet of Captain Fritz speaks volumes .....   If you can't understand that ...I'm sorry.

[Jim Hawthorn]

That live round that DROPPED OUT    DROPPED OUT of the carcano and fell at the feet of Captain Fritz speaks volumes .....   If you can't understand that ...I'm sorry.

So, we have a live round that was in the chamber. The bolt was forward (not retracted) when the rifle was found. This means that the bullet was enclosed within. So how could it have dropped out? Surely the bolt would have to be fully retracted for that to happen?

[Dan O'meara]

I'm not refusing to understand..... I have a carcano in my hand and many full clips plus spent carcano shells so I'm working with the "real mc Coy"

Oh and one other thing.... You've solved a mystery that's bugged me for decades....The dented shell...
I now know how that spent shell got dented on the bevel ....
The cut away illustration shows six cartridges in a clip in the magazine Notice where the elevator makes contact with the bottom shell....  It's right on the bevel of the cartridge.

Soooo...I believe that spent shell had at some point been loaded as the bottom shell  (spent) and in the process of pushing the clip down into the magazine, the spent shell was dented by the elevator.

The cut away illustration shows six cartridges in a clip in the magazine Notice where the elevator makes contact with the bottom shell....  It's right on the bevel of the cartridge.

The dent on the shell is on the lip, I'm not sure how the elevator could cause that.



The dent appears to be caused by a specific impact (the small dark patch) rather than being crushed. Watching the graphic Charles posted, I am finding it very difficult to envisage when such a specific impact could have taken place in the cycle of loading/firing/ejecting.