Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie

[John Iacoletti]

LHO did not tell the same story twice.

You don’t know what stories Oswald told.

As far as his whereabouts, LHO was deliberately vague

No, Harry Holmes’ memory is vague.

“But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved. He mentioned something about a coke.”

Please.

[Alan Ford]

No it doesn't. What it looks like is you are trying to distance yourself from this whole Lovelady storyline. Good choice.

What it looks like is your reading comprehension needs a lot of work. Debating you is like debating a beta-version bot.

Vickie Adam's WC statement pretty much rained on your parade. What Adam's did do was confirmed that it was Shelley and Lovelady who came back inside the TSBD. If you actually have real proof of anything do not hesitate to share it.

If you can prove that Ms Adams really made that statement, I'll change my mind. Perhaps you can show us the official stenographer's tape? Oh, I forgot-----------the stenographer's tape for Ms Adams' testimony is missing from the archives. What a surprise!

The whole point of getting Ms Adams to make 'corrections' was not to correct the written record but to legitimize a con job.

I'll let Mr Barry Ernest explain:

"Whereas the 1964 version [of the Adams testimony transcription] was declassified on November 21, 1967, this differing transcription shows an additional declassification stamp, bearing a more recent date of February 9, 2011. Coincidentally, that is two months after existence of the Martha Joe Stroud letter was disclosed for the first time in the self-published edition of The Girl on the Stairs.
"To date, no one has been able to explain why this same document needed declassifying twice, the second official release occurring forty-four years later.
"None of the corrections made by Miss Adams in Dallas appeared in her official Warren Commission testimony. This is strange, since the Commission had sufficient time to make those changes. It means the unsigned, uncorrected version of her testimony was indeed what was sent to the GPO."

And there we have it. The doctored document was prepared for one reason and one reason only: to be held in reserve for discrediting Ms Adams should she--------or someone looking too deeply into her story---------start making waves. Once that happened in 2011, the 'corrections' document was magically re-declassified.

And now look at you, Mr Nessan-------you've fallen for it hook, line & sinker! 

[Alan Ford]

LHO did not tell the same story twice.

You have not shown where he has told the same story twice. In fact you have not shown anything at all but a very disjointed opinion and an odd narrative.

Remember, LHO heard the commotion and then came downstairs where Baker and Truly encountered him by the coke machine in the second floor lunchroom. Again, there is not a coke machine by the first floor entrance.

And then a man ran into the second-floor lunchroom flashing credentials and asking for a telephone and Mr Oswald pointed him to the nearest phone and saw him go to it. After which Mr Oswald went out the door of the second-floor lunchroom and found himself out on the street.

 

Where is the vestibule? I will let Truly and Holmes explain it to you.

Mr Holmes has already explained it to us:

Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.

As for Mr Truly, he's just being the same cooperative liar who played along with the lunchroom hoax in the first place

 

[Alan Ford]

“Vickie Adams’ WC statement” was not Vickie Adams’ WC statement. According to Vickie Adams.

This is the pitiful extent of Mr Nessan's liferaft:

[Jim Hawthorn]

This is billiant reseach Alan but one thing bothers me. If Oswald was the designated fall guy with meticulous planning to set him up, how could he possible be left to roam the building and street at the time of the shooting?
Seems to me that in reality he had been ordered by the manipulators to remain out of sight (in the Domino room) at that time.

[Alan Ford]

This is billiant reseach Alan but one thing bothers me. If Oswald was the designated fall guy with meticulous planning to set him up, how could he possible be left to roam the building and street at the time of the shooting?
Seems to me that in reality he had been ordered by the manipulators to remain out of sight (in the Domino room) at that time.

Thank you, Mr Hawthorn! 

The answer to your question is pretty simple: Mr Oswald was NOT being set up in advance as the actual sixth-floor shooter, still less as a Lone Nut assassin. That ludicrous narrative only got created after the event (for political reasons) by the 'investigating' authorities

[Dan O'meara]

No it doesn't. What it looks like is you are trying to distance yourself from this whole Lovelady storyline. Good choice.

Vickie Adam's WC statement pretty much rained on your parade. What Adam's did do was confirmed that it was Shelley and Lovelady who came back inside the TSBD. If you actually have real proof of anything do not hesitate to share it.

Lovelady's admission that he didn't re-enter the TSBD building for 20-25 minutes after the assassination ends this debate.