Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie

[Alan Ford]

Well!

Mr Oswald told a clear and consistent story in custody, and the 'investigating' authorities privy to what he said were able to quickly establish that he was telling the truth. But they had a clear brief: nail the assassination on this guy and this guy alone.

One of the parties privy to Mr Oswald's alibi was, of course, Captain Will Fritz. Let's look at this interesting exchange during his WC testimony:

Mr. BALL. Did you ask him what happened that day; where he had been?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. FRITZ. Well he told me that he was eating lunch with some of the employees when this happened

Captain Fritz has worded this vaguely enough to avoid telling an outright lie---------he achieves this by carefully leaving out the WHERE (front steps)

, and that he saw all the excitement and he didn't think--I also asked him why he left the building. He said there was so much excitement there then that "I didn't think there would be any work done that afternoon and we don't punch a clock and they don't keep very close time on our work and I just left."
Mr. BALL. At that time didn't you know that one of your officers, Baker, had seen Oswald on the second floor?
Mr. FRITZ. They told me about that down at the bookstore; I believe Mr. Truly or someone told me about it, told me they had met him--I think he told me, person who told me about, I believe told me that

Captain Fritz is noticeably flustered here. He's trying hard not to tell a direct lie about this matter

they met him on the stairway, but our investigation shows that he actually saw him in a lunchroom, a little lunchroom where they were eating, and he held his gun on this man and Mr. Truly told him that he worked there, and the officer let him go.

'our investigation shows'?? Why did it take an investigation to show something different to what Captain Fritz was told on site? And more to the point: Why did it take an investigation to show what Mr Oswald readily confirmed in his first interrogation?

Mr. BALL. Did you question Oswald about that?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; I asked him about that and he knew that the officer stopped him all right.

Captain Fritz is carefully avoiding naming the WHERE again, in order to SEEM to say but not ACTUALLY say that Mr Oswald confirmed a second-floor lunchroom encounter with an officer

Mr. BALL. Did you ask him what he was doing in the lunchroom?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he was having his lunch. He had a cheese sandwich and a Coca-Cola.
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he had a Coca-Cola.

Again note Captain Fritz's refusal to commit to a straight yes as to whether Mr Oswald told him 'he was up there to get a Coca-Cola'; he merely confirms that Mr Oswald 'said he had a Coca-Cola'. Yet again, he is carefully leaving out the WHERE ('UP there'). Why? In order to give the erroneous impression that Mr Oswald here meant the second-floor lunchroom rather than the first-floor domino room. (Mr Oswald told him he ate some of his lunch in the domino room before bringing the remainder outside to watch the P. Parade.)

[Alan Ford]

And then! Later in his WC testimony, Captain Fritz is given a direct WHERE? question.

Mr. BALL. With reference to where he was at the time the President was shot, did he tell you what floor of the building he was on?

Note how Mr Ball is here limiting the question to 'what floor?'-----------he is avoiding putting the all-important, no-brainer question, 'Did he tell you where exactly he was?'

Now let's see how Captain Fritz handles Mr Ball's question:

Mr. BALL. With reference to where he was at the time the President was shot, did he tell you what floor of the building he was on?
Mr. FRITZ. I feel sure that he told me he was on the second floor.

His answer falls curiously short of the declarative. Think about that. On the single most important response given by the murder suspect to the single most important question he was asked, in the biggest homicide case in US history, the lead interrogator cannot even offer a categorical statement!

Now let's read that exchange again, continuing on with the follow-up:

Mr. BALL. With reference to where he was at the time the President was shot, did he tell you what floor of the building he was on?
Mr. FRITZ. I feel sure that he told me he was on the second floor.
Mr. BALL. Look at 136B.
Mr. FRITZ. All right, sir.
Mr. BALL. The second paragraph down, 136B.
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; second floor; yes, sir. He said he usually worked on the first floor. I asked him what part of the building at the time the President was shot. He said he was having lunch at about this time on the first floor.

 

[Alan Ford]

But!

Captain Fritz's curious vagueness and lack of surefootedness about WHERE EXACTLY Mr Oswald said he was at the time of the shooing is no isolated thing. In fact-------------quite bizarrely------------not a SINGLE one of the official interrogation reports gives ANY detail of WHERE Mr Oswald actually said he was at the time of the assassination!

In the joint interrogation report of Agents Bookhout & Hosty, we are told that Mr Oswald said he was "on the first floor" when Pres. Kennedy passed the building. But where on the damn first floor? Sorry, not important enough to merit a mention.

In the solo interrogation report of Agent Bookhout, we are told NOT A THING about where Mr Oswald said he was at that time. The account starts with "At the time of the search of the Depository building..."

And on. And on.

Why the reticence, guys?

Could it have anything to do with the simple and truthful claim made on Day One by Mr Oswald that was duly written up in plain language in Agent Hosty's draft report but BURIED?



Perish the thought!

[Alan Ford]

WARREN GULLIBLE: "But why didn't your evil conspirators in the investigation just claim that Oswald admitted he was on an upper floor at the time of the shooting? I mean, they could say what they liked, right? I mean, the interrogations weren't taped, right? I mean, they were evil, right?"

LOGICAL THINKER: "Simple. They knew that he had a doorway alibi, and that this alibi could conceivably come to light at some point in the future."

WARREN GULLIBLE: "But muh Buglio--"

LOGICAL THINKER: "Some citizen might come forward at any time with a clear Polaroid showing Oswald in the doorway, or an amateur home movie. And witnesses might start breaking."

WARREN GULLIBLE: "But muh 53 reas--"

LOGICAL THINKER: "These 'investigators' knew how vulnerable and ridiculous the official story was, so they fudged on Oswald's whereabouts claim in classic Cover-Your-A** style. They didn't want to lay themselves open to the risk of being exposed for the rank liars they were."

WARREN GULLIBLE: "But muh ballist--"

LOGICAL THINKER: "Same thinking went into the choice of second-floor lunchroom for the fictitious Oswald/Baker/Truly encounter."

WARREN GULLIBLE: "But muh--"

LOGICAL THINKER: "It had to be somewhere even an exonerated Oswald could physically have gone up to immediately after the shooting he had just heard from the front steps."

[Jack Nessan]

I see------your entire fantasy timeline comes down to that one word's having been actually written by Ms Adams. Because other than that you've got nothing.

So! Prove it was actually written by Ms Adams

 

No it doesn't. What it looks like is you are trying to distance yourself from this whole Lovelady storyline. Good choice.

Vickie Adam's WC statement pretty much rained on your parade. What Adam's did do was confirmed that it was Shelley and Lovelady who came back inside the TSBD. If you actually have real proof of anything do not hesitate to share it.

[Jack Nessan]

So--------------for your reading of Mr Holmes' recollection of Mr Oswald's words to be correct, Mr Oswald must have thought that, in standing by the coke machine in the second-floor lunchroom, he was standing in a 'vestibule' down to which he had rushed in order to see what all the commotion was about.

This really the best you can do, Mr Nessan?

~Grin~

As usual, in your zeal to defend your favorite bedtime story, you cherry-pick away to your heart's content:

MR HOLMES. ... But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved. He mentioned something about a coke.

 

LHO did not tell the same story twice.

You have not shown where he has told the same story twice. In fact you have not shown anything at all but a very disjointed opinion and an odd narrative.

Remember, LHO heard the commotion and then came downstairs where Baker and Truly encountered him by the coke machine in the second floor lunchroom. Again, there is not a coke machine by the first floor entrance.

Where is the vestibule? I will let Truly and Holmes explain it to you.

The following affidavit was executed by Roy Sansom Truly on August 3, 1964.
PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION
ON THE ASSASSINATION OF
PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY

AFFIDAVIT

STATE OF TEXAS,
County of Dallas, ss:

I, Roy Sansom Truly, being duly sworn say:
1. I am the Superintendent of the Texas School Book Depository Building Dallas, Texas.
2. The door opening on the vestibule of the lunchroom on the second floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building is usually shut because of a closing mechanism on the door


Mr. BELIN. By the way, where did this policeman stop him when he was coming down the stairs at the Book Depository on the day of the shooting?

Mr. HOLMES. He said it was in the vestibule.
Mr. BELIN. He said he was in the vestibule?
Mr. HOLMES. Or approaching the door to the vestibule. He was just coming, apparently, and I have never been in there myself. Apparently, there is two sets of doors, and he had come out to this front part.

Now LHO's big lie.

Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor?
Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.

Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.
Mr. BELIN. Did he say anything about a Coca Cola or anything like that, if you remember?
Mr. HOLMES. Seems like he said he was drinking a Coca Cola, standing there by the Coca Cola machine drinking a Coca Cola.

The coke machine is on the second floor. LHO was deliberately misleading about the location of the encounter. LHO told Fritz he went to the second floor to get a coke.

How is this even close to what he told Capt Fritz. Where is this big correlation between the two as you have stated?

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As far as his whereabouts, LHO was deliberately vague

Mr. BELIN. All right, the second paragraph on page 4 pertaining to his whereabouts at the time of the shooting. Would you care to elaborate on that?
Mr. HOLMES. I believe it is just about as I have stated. No elaboration

[John Iacoletti]

Vickie Adam's WC statement pretty much rained on your parade. What Adam's did do was confirmed that it was Shelley and Lovelady who came back inside the TSBD. If you actually have real proof of anything do not hesitate to share it.

“Vickie Adams’ WC statement” was not Vickie Adams’ WC statement. According to Vickie Adams.