Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?

[Bill Chapman]

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Patsy Collins, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared Ted Callaway 2/m/40 of 805 West 8th Street, WH-67-8045 who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

I am the manager of the Used Car lot at 501 E. Jefferson. I was working today when I heard some shots. This was about 1 pm. I ran out into Patton Street and looked to see what the shooting was about. I saw a white man running South on Patton with a pistol in hand. I hollered at him and he looked around at me, then kept on going. I ran around on 10th Street and saw a Police officer laying in the street. He looked dead to me. I got the officer's gun and hollered at a cab driver to come on, We might catch the man. We got into his cab, number 213 and drove up Patton to Jefferson and looked all around, but did not see him. The number 2 man in the line up that I saw at City Hall is the man I saw with the gun in his hand.

/s/ Ted Callaway

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Patsy Collins
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

[Bill Chapman]

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AKA The Bad-Mouther vs The Bone-Crusher

[Martin Weidmann]

Again with "which one is the correct one" nonsense.  You seem to be mistakenly believing that the dispatcher was saying the time was 1:19:00 when he said 1:19.  Get on with your point.  Or don't.  That part is up  to you.


You'd like that.

Again, stop discussing me.  Discuss the topic.

You seem to be mistakenly believing that the dispatcher was saying the time was 1:19:00 when he said 1:19

What in the world makes you think that?

[Martin Weidmann]

Agreed, and I will point out examples of this later.

Will that be when you are going to claim that you can't rely on witness testimony but can rely on your incorrect interpretation of vague statements like the Scoggins quote or some totally insignificant remarks by Benavides that tells us nothing about when Callaway helped to load Tippit in the ambulance?

Domingo Benavides said that Callaway got on the patrol car radio to report the shooting and the "officer" at the other end (the dispatcher) told Callaway that they already had that information and to stay off the air.

Benavides then said that Callaway grabbed the service revolver and said to Benavides that they should go chase the killer.

Benavides said he declined and added that Callaway then went over to the cab driver (Scoggins).

Callaway said to Scoggins "Let's get the son of a bitch".

Nothing about Callaway helping to load the body into the ambulance (because this had already been done earlier and the ambulance was gone).

Nothing about Callaway helping to load the body into the ambulance

Indeed, so why did you bring this up?

(because this had already been done earlier and the ambulance was gone).

Says who? Benavides certainly didn't and your incorrect opinion is of no significance.

[Bill Brown]

You can ignore them if you want to, but that will not make them go away.

You can call their remarks insignificant if you want to, but that doesn't change anything.

Ignoring what they (Scoggins and Benavides) said won't win you any debates, so go ahead and ignore them.

I'm off to New Orleans for 4 days with Fred Litwin and four other guys for a nice little Oswald/Ferrie/Garrison/Shaw trip.  I won't be home until Tuesday evening.  I may check in here each night but then again I may not.

[Martin Weidmann]

You can ignore them if you want to, but that will not make them go away.

You can call their remarks insignificant if you want to, but that doesn't change anything.

Ignoring what they (Scoggins and Benavides) said won't win you any debates, so go ahead and ignore them.

I'm off to New Orleans for 4 days with Fred Litwin and four other guys for a nice little Oswald/Ferrie/Garrison/Shaw trip.  I won't be home until Tuesday evening.  I may check in here each night but then again I may not.

Ignoring what they (Scoggins and Benavides) said won't win you any debates, so go ahead and ignore them.

I'm not ignoring them. I'm just saying that they do not have the significant evidentiary value you attach to it.

The fact that Benavides doesn't say anything about Callaway and Bowley loading Tippit in the ambulance is not proof that it happened prior to the sequence of events he does describe, if this is in fact what Benavides really said. You don't even provide authentication for those remarks.

Scoggins [who you quote, without providing the source] is describing events that took place in a very short time indeed. In fact, probably in less than a minute. The order in which he relates the information tells you absolutely nothing about the actual sequence of events.

And since when is this about winning a debate? You are revealing your true mindset again.... But if you are so preoccupied with "winning" this debate, you will have to do a whole lot better than coming up with some wacky interpretations of vague and insignificant statements allegedly made by witnesses.

I'm off to New Orleans for 4 days with Fred Litwin and four other guys for a nice little Oswald/Ferrie/Garrison/Shaw trip.

Have a good time. I can wait until you get back. No problem at all.

[Gerry Down]

I'm off to New Orleans for 4 days with Fred Litwin and four other guys for a nice little Oswald/Ferrie/Garrison/Shaw trip.  I won't be home until Tuesday evening.  I may check in here each night but then again I may not.

Any chance of your group recording a talk or two while ye are there? Project JFK do one of these every month or so and post on Youtube. Very interesting and I always find I learn something new from them.