One Witness

[Walt Cakebread]

Just like you to ask the right question(s), Mr. Cakebread @ WHEN was it exposed?

Rather than spin this video recording in a self-serving manner, I like to share content based upon facts, so I was hoping you, Mr. Mason (Zeon) and/or any other competent researcher could provide a definitive answer to your question.

In fairness to your 2nd question, No, I do not believe it could have been taken during the so called "re-enactment" of the wrongly-accused's make believe escape amid a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure. However, if one takes Mr. Campbell (Ochus') account into consideration it would mean either two scenarios in play (neither of which bodes well for the lying rooftop tandem and their exploits on that otherwise locked roof from the inside). Scripted liars lie...

“Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder.
” ― George Washington

 No, I do not believe it could have been taken during the so called "re-enactment" of the wrongly-accused's make believe escape amid a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure. However, if one takes Mr. Campbell (Ochus') account into consideration it would mean either two scenarios in play (neither of which bodes well for the lying rooftop tandem and their exploits on that otherwise locked roof from the inside). Scripted liars lie...

I also don't believe that the film was taken at the time of the so called "re- enactment"...... But I wanted your opinion.

The wall in the background appears to be the wall outside of Truly's first floor office ..... So I believe the film was shot  by Tom Alyea after Baker and Truly returned to the first floor after their mad dash up to the the door to the roof which should have told them that the shots had not been fired from the roof because the shooter could not have left the roof through that locked door....... Unless the shooter had fled and locked the door behind him as he fled....   in which case he could have been the 30 year old 165 pound man who was wearing a brown Jacket when Baker stopped him near the stairs. 

Now after having presented that bit of crap.... I'll revert to my conviction that there were no shots fired from the TSBD that day....
   

[Alan J. Ford]

No, I do not believe it could have been taken during the so called "re-enactment" of the wrongly-accused's make believe escape amid a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure. However, if one takes Mr. Campbell (Ochus') account into consideration it would mean either two scenarios in play (neither of which bodes well for the lying rooftop tandem and their exploits on that otherwise locked roof from the inside). Scripted liars lie...

I also don't believe that the film was taken at the time of the so called "re- enactment"...... But I wanted your opinion.

The wall in the background appears to be the wall outside of Truly's first floor office ..... So I believe the film was shot  by Tom Alyea after Baker and Truly returned to the first floor after their mad dash up to the the door to the roof which should have told them that the shots had not been fired from the roof because the shooter could not have left the roof through that locked door....... Unless the shooter had fled and locked the door behind him as he fled....   in which case he could have been the 30 year old 165 pound man who was wearing a brown Jacket when Baker stopped him near the stairs. 

Now after having presented that bit of crap.... I'll revert to my conviction that there were no shots fired from the TSBD that day....
   

A brilliant summation there, Mr. Cakebread, however with all due respect sir for your exemplary research, you are aware that there are witnesses on the record who saw the extension of a rifle barrel that afternoon before the shooting right ?

Are you suggesting someone was firing mere blanks from the TSBD?

Lastly, I'm pressed for time this morning so last comment today, to your knowledge IF a rifle was indeed fired from the southeast corner of the sixth floor, what is the likelihood that spent cartridges should have fallen much closer together than the images researchers have been privy to over the years, where one spent shell casing lands MUCH further away than the two "twins" for lack of a better word at the moment that landed much closer together?

Appreciate the insightful & informative exchange today.

[Walt Cakebread]

Heading into the Labor Day weekend, now nine months later, the LNs still are unable to provide a single credible eyewitness to substantiate the myth that Marrion Baker and Roy Truly were together at the base of the backstairs during the immediate aftermath of the cowardly ambush upon a duly elected representative of the People.

There's a reason for that. The LNs cannot produce One Witness to substantiate that scripted myth, because they weren't together at that time sharing the same space. We know two important details that derail that scripted lie (Mr. Piper's testimony and Mr. Shelley's as well) ---->

Mr. PIPER. Mr. Truly and some fellow---I really don't know who it was; like I say, it was some fellow that was with Mr. Truly.
Mr. BALL. Some fellow; how was he dressed?
Mr. PIPER. Oh, I don't know.

Mr. Piper, as would anyone else-- would easily recall a white motorcycle helmet and the looooong black boots of s motorcycle officer IF one was indeed w/Roy Truly. Now, there's this from Mr. Shelley's own testimony (some 4-5 minutes after Marrion Baker and Roy Truly should be on their phantom exploits up on the upper floors ---->

Mr. BILL. When you came into the shipping room did you see anybody?
Mr. SHELLEY. I saw Eddie Piper.
Mr. BALL. Now, did the police come into the building?
Illr. SHELLEY. Yes, sir ; they started coming in pretty fast
Mr. BALL. Did you go with them any place?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes; Mr. Truly left me guarding the elevator, not to let anybody up and down the elevator or stairway.

Perhaps a few LNs still clinging desperately to the exploits of the "magic" bullet may care to explain how Roy Truly can be in two places all at once? Upstairs on a phantom romp with Marrion Baker, yet still down on the first-floor to make a verbal exchange while engaging with Mr. Shelley...way too MUCH "magic" already in this sordid ordeal to Frame an innocent party.

LNs over 9 months time haven't and even now cannot provide One Witness to substantiate an otherwise scripted lie. There's a reason for that. As Mr. Murphy (Sean) would say, "They have nothing".

Nothing but a flimsy hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure. The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.

Mr. BALL. Now, did the police come into the building?
Illr. SHELLEY. Yes, sir ; they started coming in pretty fast
Mr. BALL. Did you go with them any place?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes; Mr. Truly left me guarding the elevator, not to let anybody up and down the elevator or stairway.[/i]

Yes, sir ; they started coming in pretty fast

THE POLICE started coming in pretty fast...... At about 12:40. Immediately after the shooting the police were searching the rail yard behind the picket fence.   Then they were diverted to the TSBD and went there and that's when Shelley saw them coming in "pretty fast " 

When did Baker leave the TSBD and go to Parkland?

[Walt Cakebread]

A brilliant summation there, Mr. Cakebread, however with all due respect sir for your exemplary research, you are aware that there are witnesses on the record who saw the extension of a rifle barrel that afternoon before the shooting right ?

Are you suggesting someone was firing mere blanks from the TSBD?

Lastly, I'm pressed for time this morning so last comment today, to your knowledge IF a rifle was indeed fired from the southeast corner of the sixth floor, what is the likelihood that spent cartridges should have fallen much closer together than the images researchers have been privy to over the years, where one spent shell casing lands MUCH further away than the two "twins" for lack of a better word at the moment that landed much closer together?

Appreciate the insightful & informative exchange today.

there are witnesses on the record who saw the extension of a rifle barrel that afternoon before the shooting right ?

Yes, Some witnesses said that they saw a rifle barrel ( or a "pipe like thing" )  sticking out of a window. Some of those folks said they saw the rifle in a man's hands before the shooting and some witnesses said they saw a rifle barrel protruding from a window during the shooting.  NONE of the witnesses reported that they saw a rifle being fired at anytime.   

Arnold Rowland and Howard Brennan are two of the most believable witnesses and I believe that both Rowland and Brennan saw the same man at approximately the same time .... I believe that Brennan's sighting preceded Rowland by a minute or two.   When Brenan saw the man who was dressed like a deputy sheriff in khaki the man was scanning the crowd while using the rifle scope as a telescope.... And the man then stepped back away from the window and that's when Arnold Rowland saw him. Rowland thought that the man was a security guard because something about the man gave him that impression. ( Rowland may have seen the khaki clothing and the rifle with the high powered scope)   

Brennan said that he saw the man aiming the rifle out of the window during the shooting but he didn't see the rifle actually being fired.  A reporter in a convertible also said that he saw a rifle barrel sticking out of a sixth floor window of the TSBD. Amos Euins said that he saw a pipe like thing sticking out of a window... So the consensus has to be :   There was a man aiming a rifle out of a TSBD window..... But that does not prove that the rifle was fired.   

Now having said that there were four witnesses who said they saw a rifle at a window.... I'm compelled to question the sightings, because it doesn't seem possible that only four people would see the rifle barrel when there were hundreds of spectators on the scene.   

       

[John Iacoletti]

A brilliant summation there, Mr. Cakebread, however with all due respect sir for your exemplary research, you are aware that there are witnesses on the record who saw the extension of a rifle barrel that afternoon before the shooting right ?

Are you suggesting someone was firing mere blanks from the TSBD?

It was after the shooting.  But even if the "projection" and the "pipe thing" were actually a rifle barrel, it doesn't just automatically follow that shots had been fired from it.

[Walt Cakebread]

It was after the shooting.  But even if the "projection" and the "pipe thing" were actually a rifle barrel, it doesn't just automatically follow that shots had been fired from it.

How do you reconcile Amos Euins statement of seeing "a pipe like thing" with the description of a Mannlicher Carcano rifle?

How could anybody think that the wooden stocked carcano looked like a "pipe"??  If the carcano was hiden beneath the pallet as I believe .....then perhaps Euins was more observant than Brennan....and some one was  using some other rifle that had a exposed metal barrel  Like the one that Arnold Rowland described.

But now that I've written the above....I realize that Brennan must have been the witness who told the cops that the rifle looked like a 30-30 Winchester .... And the 30-30 Winchester does in fact have a exposed metal barrel that looks like a pipe.

[Alan J. Ford]

there are witnesses on the record who saw the extension of a rifle barrel that afternoon before the shooting right ?

Yes, Some witnesses said that they saw a rifle barrel ( or a "pipe like thing" )  sticking out of a window. Some of those folks said they saw the rifle in a man's hands before the shooting and some witnesses said they saw a rifle barrel protruding from a window during the shooting.  NONE of the witnesses reported that they saw a rifle being fired at anytime.   

Arnold Rowland and Howard Brennan are two of the most believable witnesses and I believe that both Rowland and Brennan saw the same man at approximately the same time .... I believe that Brennan's sighting preceded Rowland by a minute or two.   When Brenan saw the man who was dressed like a deputy sheriff in khaki the man was scanning the crowd while using the rifle scope as a telescope.... And the man then stepped back away from the window and that's when Arnold Rowland saw him. Rowland thought that the man was a security guard because something about the man gave him that impression. ( Rowland may have seen the khaki clothing and the rifle with the high powered scope)   

Brennan said that he saw the man aiming the rifle out of the window during the shooting but he didn't see the rifle actually being fired.  A reporter in a convertible also said that he saw a rifle barrel sticking out of a sixth floor window of the TSBD. Amos Euins said that he saw a pipe like thing sticking out of a window... So the consensus has to be :   There was a man aiming a rifle out of a TSBD window..... But that does not prove that the rifle was fired.   

Now having said that there were four witnesses who said they saw a rifle at a window.... I'm compelled to question the sightings, because it doesn't seem possible that only four people would see the rifle barrel when there were hundreds of spectators on the scene.   

     

Please read Mr. Worrell's WC testimony, Mr. Cakebread, as it confirms a rifle indeed was fired from the southeast corner of the sixth floor. Here's a brief snippet, courtesy of the New York Times ---->

The third eyewitness was James Richard Worrell Jr., 20, an unemployed laborer. He testified that he looked up at the sixth‐story window after hearing the first shot and saw the rifle aimed at Kennedy.
There was no doubt in Mr. Worrell's mind that the rifle was actually fired. He saw “a little flame and smoke” spit from the barrel on the second and third shots, but he couldn't see the rifleman.

Now, that said, I have never ruled out that the actions Mr. Worrell (James) witnessed meant actual live bullets were fired as much as to create a predetermined staging area to conform to the hastily contrived script the planners used to Frame the wrongly-accused. In my opinion--held since my initial foray into JFK assassination research way back in May, 2014--blanks were fired from that staging area to steer any legitimate investigation away from pursuing why Gunsmoke and the undeniable accompanying smell of gunpowder was emanating from in front of the presidential limousine, where the real chicken sh*t treasonous cowards fired from. Of course, back in those days when Mr. Mack (Gary) was present on this forum, he would flood my PM box with Hey Kid, you got it all wrong. You are wrong about This. You are wrong about That, etc. never quite knew what side he was on, the great myth or on the side of light, truth and justice in this matter.

Discouraged by his repeated bombardment I took a leave of absence from this forum, and to this day I am still encouraged by legitimate researchers like yourself, Mr. Iacoletti, a great many others, etc al, who are simply here to shed light, truth and justice in this case. Anything else is simply parroting back a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure.

The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.