One Witness

[Walt Cakebread]

How do you reconcile Amos Euins statement of seeing "a pipe like thing" with the description of a Mannlicher Carcano rifle?

How could anybody think that the wooden stocked carcano looked like a "pipe"??  If the carcano was hiden beneath the pallet as I believe .....then perhaps Euins was more observant than Brennan....and some one was  using some other rifle that had a exposed metal barrel  Like the one that Arnold Rowland described.

But now that I've written the above....I realize that Brennan must have been the witness who told the cops that the rifle looked like a 30-30 Winchester .... And the 30-30 Winchester does in fact have a exposed metal barrel that looks like a pipe.

Since writing this post...   I've realized that Euins  may have seen a silencer on the end of a gun barrel......

[Alan J. Ford]

Mr. BALL. Now, did the police come into the building?
Illr. SHELLEY. Yes, sir ; they started coming in pretty fast
Mr. BALL. Did you go with them any place?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes; Mr. Truly left me guarding the elevator, not to let anybody up and down the elevator or stairway.[/i]

Yes, sir ; they started coming in pretty fast

THE POLICE started coming in pretty fast...... At about 12:40. Immediately after the shooting the police were searching the rail yard behind the picket fence.   Then they were diverted to the TSBD and went there and that's when Shelley saw them coming in "pretty fast " 

When did Baker leave the TSBD and go to Parkland?

Before entertaining your last question posed in your response here, Mr. Cakebread, there's a couple of things to point out: (A) IF Baker and Roy nothing truly about him are indeed navigating the backstairs, fetching an elevator after reaching the 5th floor, and enjoying their make belief exploits up on an otherwise locked roof (from the inside) begs the question: Did the so-called magic-bullet bequeath Roy nothing truly about him enough magic to be in two places all at once? (his phantom experience 7 floors up on that otherwise locked roof, while simultaneously giving Mr. Shelley a verbal command 7 stories below?  (B) lest we forget, when we combine both Mr. Shelley and Mr. Lovelady's testimonies we generally arrive at a reentrance time back into the TSBD at 4-5 minutes after their initial railroad expedition. This timeline is important because Roy nothing truly about him is still downstairs on the first floor (review Mr. Piper's WC testimony, where he witnesses the building superintendent w/"someone" or "some fellow", rather than accompanied by an obviously clad white helmeted motorcycle officer in looooong black boots.

Of course, the lying rooftop tandem would come together later in this fictitious fairytale to Frame an innocent party by meshing both their individual experiences that fateful afternoon into one hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure.

"Half a truth is often a great lie." - Benjamin Franklin

Now, turning our attention to your question ---->

When did Baker leave the TSBD and go to Parkland?

I trust wholeheartedly that it wasn't when he said he did...but in fairness to him I will take the time to read over his WC testimony to evaluate his said timeline

"Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder." -- George Washington

[Zeon Mason]

To reconcile the apparent contradiction between Rowland seeing a scope while Euins, Brennan, Couch and Jackson did not see a scope , the answer must be the Angle  of observation difference between SE and SW windows and also the way the SW gunman was presenting the rifle “at the ready” position when observed by Rowland at 12:15.

Imo the reason Rowland could see a scope at all from a block away, was because the scope was CENTER mounted on top of the barrel  as would be the case on the typical hunting 30.06 rifle OR a rifle like an FN-FAL military style rifle.

Other than that, Rowland, Euins, Brennan etc are describing a ratio of barrel length that’s quite noticeably farther beyond the stock than the  5” of an MC rifle.

[Alan J. Ford]

Saw the following post making the rounds over at the Education Forum ---->

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/28136-prayerperson/

So, for clarification sake I believe Mr. Davidson made a simple mistake when accrediting me as the author of the information he is sharing...

Credit to Alan J. Ford (Duncan's Forum) for posting the "Original" in this collage some months ago.

rather than Alan Ford, who joined this forum sometime in my absence during my hiatus from Mr. Mack's shenanigans. No harm, no foul but for clarity sake just want to set the record straight.

For the record, I have believed since my initial foray into JFK Assassination research in May, 2014 and even now the following: (A) Prayer Man is a man; and, (B) he is none other than the wrongly-accused who was standing outside as the presidential limousine turned off Houston onto Elm. Nowhere near the sixth floor let alone firing a rifle. The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.

[Alan J. Ford]

To reconcile the apparent contradiction between Rowland seeing a scope while Euins, Brennan, Couch and Jackson did not see a scope , the answer must be the Angle  of observation difference between SE and SW windows and also the way the SW gunman was presenting the rifle “at the ready” position when observed by Rowland at 12:15.

Imo the reason Rowland could see a scope at all from a block away, was because the scope was CENTER mounted on top of the barrel  as would be the case on the typical hunting 30.06 rifle OR a rifle like an FN-FAL military style rifle.

Other than that, Rowland, Euins, Brennan etc are describing a ratio of barrel length that’s quite noticeably farther beyond the stock than the  5” of an MC rifle.

Yet another excellent summation there, Mr. Mason, especially noting Mr. Rowland's observations @  12:15PM...keen discernment noting the obvious differences between what three actual eyewitnesses observed when compared to the planted rifle used amid a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure to frame an innocent party.

[Alan J. Ford]

When did Baker leave the TSBD and go to Parkland?

Another excellent question, Mr. Cakebread, let's take his WC testimony into account ---->

Mr. BELIN - From the time you went into the building how long did it take you to go up and make your searches and come on down until the time you left?
Mr. BAKER - I would say that I was in there approximately 15 minutes.
Mr. BELIN - And you left there right at the time that you left Mr. Truly on the first floor?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - In this time sequence you mentioned you were on the roof more than 5 minutes, that could be 25 or 30 or 10 or 15 or what?
Mr. BAKER - This, to my recollection, it seemed like I shouldn't have stayed up there over 10 minutes anyway.

15 minutes doing what?

(A) He outright lied about his experience on an otherwise locked roof ---->

COUNTY OF DALLAS
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
SUPPLEMENTARY INVESTIGATION REPORT

Name of Compainant
Assassination Of President Kennedy

Offense
John Wiseman, Deputy Sheriff, Dallas County Sheriff's Department.

Date Nov 23, 1963

I was standing in front of the Sheriff's Office at 505 Main Street, Dallas when the President passed and the car went around the corner and a few more cars had passed when I heard a shot and I knew something had happened. I ran at once to the corner of Houston and Main Street and out into the street when the second and third shots ran out. I ran on across Houston Street, then across the park to where a policeman was having trouble with his motorcycle and I saw a man laying on the grass. This man laying on the grass said the shots came from the building and he was pointing to the old Sexton Building. I talked to Marilyn Sitzman, 202 S. Lancaster who said her boss, Abraham Zaprutes, RI 8 6071, had movies of the shooting. She said the shots came from that way and she pointed at the old Sexton Building. I ran at once to the Sexton Building and went in. I asks some woman how many doors lead out of the building and she said 4. I left the building and found some DPD patrolmen and we came back to the building. I ran up the stairs and the patrolman started trying to get more help to search the building. I went up the stairs to the 7th floor and started up into the attic and noticed that the door to the roof was locked on the inside with a gate type hook latch. I stopped and started back down the stairs taking a quick look on each floor.

(B) Baker's same day affidavit has nothing to do with the invented hastily contrived phantom lunchroom encounter to frame the wrongly-accused.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337201/m1/1/

His same day affidavit experience with the genuine individual he encounters is a whopping 34lbs heavier than the wrongly-accused on November 22, 1963. His same day affidavit reveals his encounter with someone other than the wrongly-accused was with an individual walking away from the stairs (nowhere near a lunchroom).

(C) Then he shoots himself in the foot yet again by testifying while he was supposedly on that otherwise locked rooftop (from the inside) he cross paths with Inspector Sawyer (who lest we forget in his testimony was only inside the TSBD from 12:34PM -- 12:37PM) Oops! here we have Baker pulling some fairytale magic akin to Roy nothing truly about him who shares in his testimony he accompanies Baker up on that otherwise locked roof (from the inside), but yet is still standing down on the 1st floor in a verbal exchange w/Mr/ Shelley, ordering him to keep an eye on the elevators. Magic bullets, key "eyewitnesses" magically being in two places all at once...amazing what a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure forces liars to do and say...

"Half a truth is often a great lie." - Benjamin Franklin

Amazing what some lying chicken sh*t treasonous cowards will do for thirty pieces of silver...

Back later this week the Good Lord willing to expose the lying rooftop tandem even further...

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2639.msg99535.html#msg99535

Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases

"Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder." -- George Washington

 

[Chris Davidson]

Saw the following post making the rounds over at the Education Forum ---->

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/28136-prayerperson/

So, for clarification sake I believe Mr. Davidson made a simple mistake when accrediting me as the author of the information he is sharing...

Credit to Alan J. Ford (Duncan's Forum) for posting the "Original" in this collage some months ago.

rather than Alan Ford, who joined this forum sometime in my absence during my hiatus from Mr. Mack's shenanigans. No harm, no foul but for clarity sake just want to set the record straight.

For the record, I have believed since my initial foray into JFK Assassination research in May, 2014 and even now the following: (A) Prayer Man is a man; and, (B) he is none other than the wrongly-accused who was standing outside as the presidential limousine turned off Houston onto Elm. Nowhere near the sixth floor let alone firing a rifle. The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.

Alan,

My sincerest apology.

I never realized there were two of you with very similar names on this forum.

I will make the appropriate correction on the Education Forum.

Chris