Why are Warren Report Defenders Trusting of testimony RE: TSBD to Texas Theatre?

[Tom Scully]

Some interesting research but what would have been his motive and how does it impact his testimony?

Because it speaks to his credibility and to the state of his mental health. If he "vandalized" history, is this "vandalism" of his grave?

The taxi driver abandoned his small son, for life, who carried his name
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Whaley-18
...and he was bold enough to correct the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS over an insignificant detail. The jury is still out as to whether he told Dallas reporters he was an awarded WWII combat hero, but in fact, was not.

Not 25 miles to Lewisville, but precisely 26, not 36 years driving a taxi, but precisely 37. :

http://web.archive.org/web/20190811175231/http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/whaley1.htm

...Mr. WHALEY. I am a taxi driver, sir.
Mr. BALL. How long have you been a taxi driver?
Mr. WHALEY. 37 years.
Mr. BALL. You worked all that time in Dallas?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What is your residence?
Mr. WHALEY. 619 Pine Street, Route 2, Louisville, Tex., 26 miles north of Dallas.
....
The CHAIRMAN. The witness has been driving a taxicab in Dallas for 36 years.
Mr. WHALEY. Thirty-seven, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Thirty-seven....

The "keeper" of Whaley's online memorial has created and maintains over 25,000 such web pages. He replied in just a couple of days to the evidence I shared with him supporting the incorrect date of birth...


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/13730776/william-wayne-whaley


Published June 26, 1908, refers to "ten pound boy" arriving at the home of O.W. Whaley on the prior Friday evening, AKA, June 19, 1908. The article image is now in the image gallery of the Whaley grave page.

[Tom Scully]

Because it speaks to his credibility and to the state of his mental health. If he "vandalized" history, is this "vandalism" of his grave?

Sure, but if you keep digging I bet you will find somerhing on every witness in this case and then what?

Doesn't affect his testimony as such, and assuming that's where our focus should be, It"s much more  powerful to pick him apart by using his own testimony.

Like dropping Oswald off at an intersection that doesn't exist, if you see what I mean?!

Otto, I see what you mean, and your POV should be enough, but in practice it leaves too much "wiggle room" for LNs or a criminal prosecutor in 1964, for example, competent criminal defense attorney supported by a competent investigator, cross examining a prosecution witness like William W. Whaley, who was giving uncorroborated (like Mary Bledsoe and Earline Roberts) testimony.

Defense Atty: You say you've been driving a taxi in Dallas for 37 years. You look remarkably young for such lengthy experience, just how old are you?

Whaley, I'll turn 59, in June.

Defense Atty: Mr. Whaley, I have here a copy of your 1940 military draft registration. It is filled out in your own hand, correct? Why does the date of birth you wrote then, indicate you are three years younger today than the current age you just claimed you are?

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David Von Pein - Posted July 13, 2019

...A Whaley Addendum....

Based on William Whaley's 11/23/63 FBI interview, I think it's pretty clear that Whaley originally did think he had taken Oswald all the way to the 500 block of North Beckley Avenue in Oak Cliff on 11/22/63. Whaley told the FBI on November 23rd that he "took the young man to the 500 block of Beckley Street".

But I think the key to knowing that Whaley was mistaken about the "500 block" is the fact that he always maintained—even in his first FBI interview the day after Oswald rode in his taxicab—that the fare for Oswald's cab ride was exactly "95 cents".

And Whaley's 11/22/63 manifest (or trip sheet) also confirms the fare for the Greyhound-to-Beckley trip as being 95 cents.

And we can see from the reconstructed cab rides that a trip in Whaley's cab that starts at the Greyhound bus station and ends at the intersection of Neely & Beckley would, in fact, be 95 cents....

[Richard Smith]

Because it speaks to his credibility and to the state of his mental health. If he "vandalized" history, is this "vandalism" of his grave?

The taxi driver abandoned his small son, for life, who carried his name
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Whaley-18
...and he was bold enough to correct the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS over an insignificant detail. The jury is still out as to whether he told Dallas reporters he was an awarded WWII combat hero, but in fact, was not.

Not 25 miles to Lewisville, but precisely 26, not 36 years driving a taxi, but precisely 37. :The "keeper" of Whaley's online memorial has created and maintains over 25,000 such web pages. He replied in just a couple of days to the evidence I shared with him supporting the incorrect date of birth...


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/13730776/william-wayne-whaley


Published June 26, 1908, refers to "ten pound boy" arriving at the home of O.W. Whaley on the prior Friday evening, AKA, June 19, 1908. The article image is now in the image gallery of the Whaley grave page.

You are really going on and on about Whaley's credibility based over a discrepancy as to his date of birth?  Suggesting his testimony about giving Oswald a ride should be discounted because he got his year of birth wrong?  Maybe it's difficult to imagine for an information hoarder but in the early 20th century it is not inconceivable for someone not to know their exact birth year.  They certainly didn't have access to the Internet.  Records were lost.  Memories were subject to error.  And it didn't really matter that much to anyone without a compulsion disorder.

[Tom Scully]

You are really going on and on about Whaley's credibility based over a discrepancy as to his date of birth?  Suggesting his testimony about giving Oswald a ride should be discounted because he got his year of birth wrong?  Maybe it's difficult to imagine for an information hoarder but in the early 20th century it is not inconceivable for someone not to know their exact birth year.  They certainly didn't have access to the Internet.  Records were lost.  Memories were subject to error.  And it didn't really matter that much to anyone without a compulsion disorder.

An "information hoarder"? Whaley himself and the 1910, 1920, 1930, and 1940 U.S. Census records and these examples provided by Whaley himself, as well as his family's bible were remarkably consistent supporting what is inarguably Whaley's true birth year, 1940. Something happened after 1940, and history has a right to know, or at least reflect a change from 1908 to 1905 that took place.

His mom outlived him by eighteen months. She and the Whaley family bible were available, vs the
post 1940 process of creating a new birth year.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/53993969/lona-haynes-whaley

Published 1935 LINK, Phillips Family History, pg. 127


IOW, there was no documentation to support such a change, but Whaley's SS record, death certificate, and presumably the Texas driver's license he was carrying when he was suddenly killed all reflect the revised birth year.

It is important because his testimony, as was that of Earline Roberts and Mary Bledsoe, was uncorroborated.

Whaley's parents married in 1907. His mother was 19 in 1908. One CT zealot reacted to these facts years ago by making up a scenario in which Whaley "switched" to 1908 to shield his family from embarrassment over his actual "out of wedlock" 1905 birth, when his conception would have to have been when his mother was just 15 years old.

But that wasn't what happened, Whaley was born in 1908 at least until 1940, them switched to 1905.
That requires some effort since a consistent record supporting 1908 already existed and no evidence supporting 1905.

1908 to 1931 = 23 years....

[Walt Cakebread]

Because it speaks to his credibility and to the state of his mental health. If he "vandalized" history, is this "vandalism" of his grave?

The taxi driver abandoned his small son, for life, who carried his name
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Whaley-18
...and he was bold enough to correct the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS over an insignificant detail. The jury is still out as to whether he told Dallas reporters he was an awarded WWII combat hero, but in fact, was not.

Not 25 miles to Lewisville, but precisely 26, not 36 years driving a taxi, but precisely 37. :The "keeper" of Whaley's online memorial has created and maintains over 25,000 such web pages. He replied in just a couple of days to the evidence I shared with him supporting the incorrect date of birth...


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/13730776/william-wayne-whaley


Published June 26, 1908, refers to "ten pound boy" arriving at the home of O.W. Whaley on the prior Friday evening, AKA, June 19, 1908. The article image is now in the image gallery of the Whaley grave page.

Perhaps Whaley changed the date of his birth to so he could draw a pension that required that he be three years older than his actual age ?

At any rate.... This seems to indicate that Whaley was less than an honest man....    And the tale that he fabricated about transporting the assassin to Oak Cliff  so that he could have his "5 minutes of fame " certainly is nothing but a figment of his warped mind.

[Richard Smith]

Perhaps Whaley changed the date of his birth to so he could draw a pension that required that he be three years older than his actual age ?

At any rate.... This seems to indicate that Whaley was less than an honest man....    And the tale that he fabricated about transporting the assassin to Oak Cliff  so that he could have his "5 minutes of fame " certainly is nothing but a figment of his warped mind.

It's very silly to speculate about Whaley's motivations and then extrapolate from a discrepancy about his birth year that he fabricated a cab ride for Oswald.  Particularly when Whaley kept records that supports his account.  Classic rabbit hole nonsense.   

[Walt Cakebread]

Whaley's records precludes Oswald from being his passenger.

Only a deranged Nutter would claim that.

So what's new?

Whaley's records precludes Oswald from being his passenger.


Hey c'mon Otto.... Yer stealin my rebuttal again...