Why are Warren Report Defenders Trusting of testimony RE: TSBD to Texas Theatre?

[Robert Reeves]

Gordon Arnold's story would only make sense if he was on hallucigenics that day and imagined the story he told on "The men who killed Kennedy".

Yeah and that is somewhat fascinating to me. From what his wife and kids had to say I am wondering myself why Gordon Arnold appears to have been depicted as very sensationalist but yet so little actual detail of his background/legitimacy.

[Gerry Down]

Yeah and that is somewhat fascinating to me. From what his wife and kids had to say I am wondering myself why Gordon Arnold appears to have been depicted as very sensationalist but yet so little actual detail of his background/legitimacy.

It could be he was up at the dal-tex building corner during the assassination, though no picture of him there exists, and then years later he decided to put himself on the grassy knoll where all the researchers were focusing on.

[Robert Reeves]

Les:  Yes. The first time I really remember going into much detail about it at all was when Nigel Turner came through with The Men Who Killed Kennedy
documentary and was collecting stuff for that. And we, I remember talking to him about that, him deciding to go ahead and do that.
Gary: Did he talk to you about that first or to you?
Mary: He discussed it with me and said that the reason he decided to do it was because of his health problems, because he came so near to death and he said he
wanted some record of what he knew and he liked Nigel and felt that he was being truthful with him and would be truthful with him in everything. He said, “I would like to
go ahead and give him what knowledge I have of what happened.” And I said, “That’s fine.”

Gary: We’ll come back to that. Let’s, cause we’ve skipped ahead a little bit. It was the summer of 1978 when Gordon was on that jury and Howard Upchurch
talked to him. What happened next?

Mary: He was upset about it again because, like I said, it was an emotional thing for him and he didn’t want to talk about it. And I respected that and just.
Gary: Howard told his, told his story of meeting your husband to Earl
Golz, a reporter at The Dallas Morning News. At some point, and I was not involved at this point in time, but at some point Earl called Gordon and I assume Gordon then at
some point spoke to him and then told you what happened? What do you remember about all that?
Mary: I don’t remember very much at all. I just know that he was still very nervous about it, but he still talked to Mr. Golz and that’s really all I remember.
Les:  The impression that I got from Dad—and this was admittedly years later—but the impression I got from him was he was basically expecting to just be
discussing history. He was not expecting it to be published and, you know, thrown out there in the newspaper. And was rather upset by the fact that it was in the newspaper
because he still felt that there was the possibility…
Mary: Of a danger.
Les:  Of a retribution of some kind.
Gary: So when the story appeared, did he see it right away or did he hear about it later? What was his reactions when he learned, when he first learned the story
was in the newspaper?
Mary: He said he wished it had not happened because, there again, he was afraid of retribution. But he just kind of pushed it over to the side and ignored it.
Gary: Did he get any phone calls or letters?
Mary: Oh yes, oh yes, and he wouldn’t talk to anyone.
Gary: (0:30:05)  Did he get a lot of them?
Mary: Yes, he got quite a few right when it first came out. And when they would call and ask us, I even remember him telling someone they had the wrong
number, that he didn’t know anything about it.
Gary: So he never did any other interviews after Earl Golz until The Men Who Killed Kennedy?
Mary: Right.


Mary = Gordon Arnolds wife, Gary = Gary Mack, Les = Gordon Arnold's son

[Mitch Todd]

[moved this for better clarity:] Mary = Gordon Arnolds wife, Gary = Gary Mack, Les = Gordon Arnold's son

Les:  Yes. The first time I really remember going into much detail about it at all was when Nigel Turner came through with The Men Who Killed Kennedy
documentary and was collecting stuff for that. And we, I remember talking to him about that, him deciding to go ahead and do that.
Gary: Did he talk to you about that first or to you?
Mary: He discussed it with me and said that the reason he decided to do it was because of his health problems, because he came so near to death and he said he
wanted some record of what he knew and he liked Nigel and felt that he was being truthful with him and would be truthful with him in everything. He said, “I would like to
go ahead and give him what knowledge I have of what happened.” And I said, “That’s fine.”

Gary: We’ll come back to that. Let’s, cause we’ve skipped ahead a little bit. It was the summer of 1978 when Gordon was on that jury and Howard Upchurch
talked to him. What happened next?

Mary: He was upset about it again because, like I said, it was an emotional thing for him and he didn’t want to talk about it. And I respected that and just.
Gary: Howard told his, told his story of meeting your husband to Earl
Golz, a reporter at The Dallas Morning News. At some point, and I was not involved at this point in time, but at some point Earl called Gordon and I assume Gordon then at
some point spoke to him and then told you what happened? What do you remember about all that?
Mary: I don’t remember very much at all. I just know that he was still very nervous about it, but he still talked to Mr. Golz and that’s really all I remember.
Les:  The impression that I got from Dad—and this was admittedly years later—but the impression I got from him was he was basically expecting to just be
discussing history. He was not expecting it to be published and, you know, thrown out there in the newspaper. And was rather upset by the fact that it was in the newspaper
because he still felt that there was the possibility…
Mary: Of a danger.
Les:  Of a retribution of some kind.
Gary: So when the story appeared, did he see it right away or did he hear about it later? What was his reactions when he learned, when he first learned the story
was in the newspaper?
Mary: He said he wished it had not happened because, there again, he was afraid of retribution. But he just kind of pushed it over to the side and ignored it.
Gary: Did he get any phone calls or letters?
Mary: Oh yes, oh yes, and he wouldn’t talk to anyone.
Gary: (0:30:05)  Did he get a lot of them?
Mary: Yes, he got quite a few right when it first came out. And when they would call and ask us, I even remember him telling someone they had the wrong
number, that he didn’t know anything about it.
Gary: So he never did any other interviews after Earl Golz until The Men Who Killed Kennedy?
Mary: Right.

Golz found out about Arnold because he told his story to someone he just met. How does that jive with this statement from Mary: "He was upset about it again because, like I said, it was an emotional thing for him and he didn’t want to talk about it"


BTW, here's an 11/30/1963 letter from Arnold to Mary. Notice something missing?

https://emuseum.jfk.org/objects/32576/correspondence-between-gordon-arnold-and-mary-seymore-dated?ctx=7f67f5b2-ee69-41fc-9a40-80f3edc7bef2&idx=0

[Richard Smith]

Tom would be a champion at the Kevin Bacon game.  As a JFK CT, however, he is many bricks short of a load.

[Tom Scully]

Tom would be a champion at the Kevin Bacon game.  As a JFK CT, however, he is many bricks short of a load.

Yeah, Richard, results are no indication of competence... the futility of firing a howitzer at a "lone nut".

From author Joan Mellen's, "Our Man in Haiti, George DeMohrenschildt"

Students Don Ear Muffs to Shut Out Band Music
Daily Boston Globe – Aug 14, 1947
… rhumba music yesterday asked the Boston Licensing Board to shut down
the Hotel … one of 16 Tech students livings in the adjoining Sigma Chi
fraternity house … Other student were Thomas Devine of Rochester who
told of taking refuge in ..

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=14783#relPageId=4&search=garry_coit
1. MISCELLANEOUS DOCUMENTS FROM AARC CIA COLLECTION, BOX 113, pg 288
Found in: Miscellaneous CIA Series
Garry Coit SR/CA

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=14783#relPageId=4&search=garry_coit
2. PARTIAL CONTACT REPORT ON MEETING WITH PRISCILLA JOHNSON, 30-31 JAN, pg 1
Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 49
AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A -------------------------------------------------------------------------- DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : COIT
, GARRY, SR/CA TO : MFR TITLE : PARTIAL CONTACT REPORT ON MEETING WITH PRISCILLA JOHNSON, 30-31 JAN.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=14786#relPageId=2&search=garry_coit
3. LETTER, "I AM TRANSFERRING TO ANOTHER SECTION" AND GIVING NAME OF ANOTHER PERSON TO CONTACT IN THE FUTURE, pg 1
Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 49
INFORMATION AGENCY : CIA RECORD NUMBER : 104-10135-10092 RECORD SERIES : JFK AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : COIT
, GARRY TO : PRISCILLA TITLE : LETTER, "I AM TRANSFERRING TO ANOTHER SECTION" AND GIVING NAME OF ANOTHER PERSON TO CONTACT IN THE FUTURE.

http://jfkforum.com/2017/10/01/are-we-there-yet-part-ii/
...Tom Scully on July 20, 2017, 07:42:12 PM

……..
Priscilla Johnson fully inserted herself into Marina’s life by late July, 1964, as Katya and Declan Ford did the hand off to Priscilla. Priscilla’s CIA handler was Garrison Garry Coit. Coit and Thomas Devine and 15 other Sigma Chi frat brothers cohabited in their frat house on MIT campus from fall, 1944. Coit went to Naval radio school in late Sept., Devine followed two weeks later.

Devine had nine contacts with DeMohrenschildt from late April, 1963 through late May. Devine and his close friend Joseph F Dryer, Jr. met separately with DeMohrenschildt and Clemard Charles on 25 April, 1963.

In late Sept., 1964, Priscilla put herself and Marina under the domicile and hospitality of her first cousin David C. Davenport, later described by Sam Ballen as a former CIA man. Davenport’s obit refers to his intelligence work.
In December, 1964, news and FBI reports describe Marina and Priscilla residing in a Sedona, AZ apartment, transported and escorted by Jerome Hastings, close friend of Davenport, driving Davenport’s Corvair with Alaska plates. In July, 1965, Davenport and Hastings are sued in New Mexico by Hasting’s step-daughter, JoAnn McAdams,
first cousin of presidential assistant Clark Clifford. The suit describes Hastings as then second husband of Clifford’s aunt, Marguerite Bowman McAdams Hasty. In 1966, Jerome Hasty legally changed his name in New Mexico to Hastings.

At this link, I have documented that in 1978 HSCA counsel asked Priscilla Johnson Macmillan why her book, “Marina and Lee” was delayed at least a dozen years. See http://archive.is/esTuB
One excuse Priscilla offered was that she had experienced a bad period in which her father was a concealed suicide.
The last person reported to see Priscilla’s father Stuart alive and who reported him as missing to Locust Valley, LI police was James A. Thomas, a cousin of Allen Dulles whose sister Eleanor Lansing Thomas was maid of honor in Clover Dulles’s wedding.
....

Tom Devine was a member of this class (1944) of 20 boys. His father, Adrian Devine chaired the school's board of directors. Devine was yearbook editor of the remaining ten graduating students. Peter Dryer, brother and kenaf farming partner in Haiti with his brother Joseph, for example, transferred to Choate Academy.


After noticing Peter Dryer's name in Tom Devine's yearbook list of former classmates, I contacted
Joan Mellen, who had recently interviewed Peter's brother, Joseph F. Dryer, Jr.



Hawley Ward, at the bottom of the list above of Tom Devine's former classmates, was the brother
of the groom in this 1954 wedding party which also included Priscilla Johnson.



Hawley Ward left Devine's school to attend St. Paul's in Concord, NH and was a classmate there
of Priscilla's book editor, Marion Sims Wyeth, who had no problem giving Priscilla an extra decade to
complete her book while muzzling Marina... Hawley Ward was in editor Wyeth's wedding party, Priscilla had been in the wedding party (above) of Hawley Ward's brother...



And Priscilla's book editor M.S. Wyeth was in the wedding party of Cord Meyer's brother, along with the Meyer's brother's cousin, S. Willetts Meyer, who happened to be the best man in Ed Hooker's wedding in which George Bush was an usher. Hooker, if you recall, was George DeMohrenschildt's step-nephew and wildcat oil well drilling partner, as well as George Bush's roommate at the Andover, A.U.V. secret society house.



The CIA had to do handstands to make "all of this" appear to be unconnected, unremarkable....

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=84#relPageId=64&search=cogswell_and%20dryer
1. HSCA Report, Volume XII, pg 60
Found in: HSCA Appendix Volumes
"The information came from Jack Cogswell of Palm Beach.
According to Cogswell, he ran into Joseph Dryer, who is a stockbroker with Loeb & Rhodes & Co. in Palm Beach and Dryer offered informa- tion about George
de Mohrenschildt.(172) Dryer told Cogswell that when he knew de Mohrenshchildt in Haiti, de Mohrenschildt's behav- ior was "strange" and included following.."

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=217704#relPageId=178&search=cogswell_and%20dryer
1. Our Man in Haiti: George de Mohrenschildt and the CIA in the Nightmare Republic, pg 164
Found in: JFK Books
"CIA documents reveal that Cogswell was utilized by both the Agency and the FBI.
Cogswell became a source of intelligence for Joe Dryer. In particular, Cogswell kept an eye on de Mohrenschildt Mohrenschildt.
Dryer was not certain whether CIA placed Cogswell in Haiti or whether he had gone there voluntarily, but it was obvious that he was working for someone"



https://paw.princeton.edu/memorial/charles-leslie-rice-jr-’41
Memorial Charles Leslie Rice Jr. '41 - Princeton Alumni Weekly |
"...Following the war, Dean Mathey '12, Princeton's patron-saint trustee, benefactor, and Wall St. magician, recruited Les as his protege.
Having learned much from Mathey at Empire Trust Co., Les set out on his own. He was president and CEO of Gulf States Land & Industries, Inc., ..."

Imagine being John McCloy on the WC, especially in the executive sessions...



Tom Devine had "a hook" even John McCloy did not enjoy... his grandmother
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/102334174/louise-wolcott-dodge
...was a first cousin of Senator Jay (John D. IV) Rockefeller's grandfather...
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/126976919/blanchette-ferry-rockefeller

http://jfkforum.com/2017/10/01/are-we-there-yet-part-ii/
...1968 …
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/5939652/

Troth Is Announced Of Miss Williams, Henry C. Hurt Jr. Mr. and Mrs. George … Margaret Nolting, to Henry Charles Hurt Jr., of Kennebunkport, Maine, son of Mr…..

In 1977, Henry Hurt, son in law of brother of Freeport Sulphur chairman, Langbourne M. Williams Jr…… informs Billy Joe Lord that Jim Beamiss, actually fitting the description of Fitzgerald Bemiss, is exerting pressure to result in Lord granting an interview to Henry Hurt and Readers Digest. https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=65388323

Fitzgerald Bemiss was the son of Prescott Bush Kennebunkport friend and neighbor Sam Bemiss. Sam’s mom was a sister of Langbourne M. Williams Jr’s grandfather. Sam Bemiss mother.:
....

[Jerry Freeman]

The point is that a jury in a criminal trial would have learned of some of these details because defense attorneys would have investigated the backgrounds of witnesses as the WC, DPD, and FBI should have but did not.

You give the attorneys more credit than they deserve. They were no better than the cops.