The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

[Royell Storing]

  I make a legit JFK Assassination inquiry and you fail at funny.

[Mitch Todd]

    1964 is when the WR was released. Please tell me whatever you know about the Huge Gates. Thanks

I assume you mean what are commonly called the "red gates" between the TSBD proper and the annex?

You read Luke Mooney's testimony about how he saw them open and had a TSBD employee close them and keep watch over them?

[Tom Graves]

I make a legit JFK Assassination inquiry and you fail at funny.

Poor widdle Royell.

[Royell Storing]

     You're merely repeating what I have previously posted regarding the Huge Gates. 

[Andrew Mason]

No. Hill was standing on the running board at Z306. Clearly stated there were only two shots.

Show us where he said there were only two shots.  He always said he heard only two shots. He has said many times that he accepts that there were three shots. He has always maintained that JFK reacted to the first shot by hunching forward and to the left. 

Re: standing on running board at z306. We do not have a visual record of when Hill stepped off the running board.  We know it was after Altgens 6 at z254-255.  It is difficult to estimate how long it took for him to get along-side the front of the QM when we first see him in the Nix film.  He does not reach the rear hand-hold until z338 which is 4.5 seconds after Altgens 6.

I expect that when he stepped off the running board and hit the road, he was not immediately running at the car speed and probably went back a few feet before running faster than the car. If he left the car at z265 that would give him 4 seconds to make it to the back of the limo at z338. 

If he leaped off at z307 that would give him 1.69 seconds to get up to speed and dash the 14 feet from the running board to grab the handhold:

That is not much time. He would need to average 20 feet/second or 14 mph from the time he jumped off the running board until reaching the hand-hold (assuming the limo was moving at 12 feet/sec or 8 mph).

I would suggest that 4 seconds is probably closer to the actual running time.

[Tom Graves]

[Clint Hill] has always maintained that JFK reacted to the first shot by hunching forward and to the left. 

JFK consciously reacted to the first shot by looking quickly to his left at Z-143.

[Mitch Todd]

     You're merely repeating what I have previously posted regarding the Huge Gates.

There was a discussion a few years ago about the red gates being open about the red gates being open, between Dan O', Martin, and I. It was part of a longer threat regarding when the TSBD was firmly sealed off. I think you missed it.

[Tom Graves]

There was a discussion a few years ago about the red gates being open between Dan O', Martin, and myself. It was part of a longer thread regarding when the TSBD was firmly sealed off. I think you missed it.

Interesting!

I'll have to look it up!

(Btw, I corrected the typos in your post.)