The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

[Tom Graves]

[Clint Hill] has always maintained that JFK reacted to the first shot by hunching forward and to the left. 

JFK consciously reacted to the first shot by looking quickly to his left at Z-143.

[Mitch Todd]

     You're merely repeating what I have previously posted regarding the Huge Gates.

There was a discussion a few years ago about the red gates being open about the red gates being open, between Dan O', Martin, and I. It was part of a longer threat regarding when the TSBD was firmly sealed off. I think you missed it.

[Tom Graves]

There was a discussion a few years ago about the red gates being open between Dan O', Martin, and myself. It was part of a longer thread regarding when the TSBD was firmly sealed off. I think you missed it.

Interesting!

I'll have to look it up!

(Btw, I corrected the typos in your post.)

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Show us where he said there were only two shots.  He always said he heard only two shots. He has said many times that he accepts that there were three shots. He has always maintained that JFK reacted to the first shot by hunching forward and to the left. 

Re: standing on running board at z306. We do not have a visual record of when Hill stepped off the running board.  We know it was after Altgens 6 at z254-255.  It is difficult to estimate how long it took for him to get along-side the front of the QM when we first see him in the Nix film.  He does not reach the rear hand-hold until z338 which is 4.5 seconds after Altgens 6.

I expect that when he stepped off the running board and hit the road, he was not immediately running at the car speed and probably went back a few feet before running faster than the car. If he left the car at z265 that would give him 4 seconds to make it to the back of the limo at z338. 

If he leaped off at z307 that would give him 1.69 seconds to get up to speed and dash the 14 feet from the running board to grab the handhold:

That is not much time. He would need to average 20 feet/second or 14 mph from the time he jumped off the running board until reaching the hand-hold (assuming the limo was moving at 12 feet/sec or 8 mph).

I would suggest that 4 seconds is probably closer to the actual running time.

SSA Hill had jumped offa the running board & was hitting the tarmac when SSA Hickey accidentally fired his first shot of his 4 shot auto burst of his AR15 (this first shot probly wounded Tague).
Later Hill was galloping & almost level with the front wheel when Hickey fired his shot 4 at Z312 (which hit jfk in the head & cracked the windshield).
So, it makes sense that Hill did not hear them there 4 shots.
With hindsight Hill could have turned around & reached over & grabbed the barrel of the AR15 to try to save jfk (instead of jumping off).
But otherwise there was nothing that Hill could have done.
SSA McIntyre who was standing behind Hill was in the prime pozzy to see Hickey shoot (& we see in Bronson that McIntyre was indeed looking at Hickey).
Anyhow, SSA Landis (who was standing on the right hand running board) is now today the only SSA still alive.
And he knows the truth.
They all knew.

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[Royell Storing]

  So where did the 3 shots from the sniper's nest end up?

[Tom Graves]

So where did the 3 shots from the sniper's nest end up?

The first one either disintegrated upon hitting the asphalt pavement (a chunk of which may have left a mark on the passenger's side door) or struck the mast of a traffic signal and a curb and James Tague down by the Triple Underpass, the second one (CE-399) wounded both JFK and JBC around Z-222 and was found about an hour later at Parkland Hospital, and the third one struck JFK in the back of the head and fragmented (a largish fragment from it may have wounded James Tague down by the Triple Underpass).

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

  So where did the 3 shots from the sniper's nest end up?

Oswald's first shot at pseudo Z105-110 ricocheted offa the signal arm & the brass (copper?) jacket separated from the lead slug, the jacket breaking into two pieces, the remnant slug making a hole in the limo floor, & some of the lead splatter hit jfk on the back of his head.

Oswald's second shot was at Z218, the magic bullet.

Oswald did not fire his one last remaining bullet, & he watched Hickey shoot at least four shots at about Z300-Z312, the last shot hitting jfk in the head at Z313.