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Online Royell Storing

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #168 on: June 14, 2025, 04:01:42 AM »
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   You need to stay away from subjects you are unfamiliar with. You're just flailing. 

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #168 on: June 14, 2025, 04:01:42 AM »


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« Reply #169 on: June 14, 2025, 04:53:29 AM »
At this point after all of these investigations, the release of the documents, the passage of time, it seems obvious (even more now than before) that most of these conspiracy activists have an agenda where they use the assassination to express their grievances with some element of the government. It's not really about the assassination; it's about the assassination as a symbol of something deeper and darker. It's been that way for awhile, probably from the very beginning, but it's more explicit (and desperate) now.

On the conspiracy Left, it's the CIA and the Cold War policies, policies they think were illegitimate and immoral (some were but not all). Good lord, it never ends with them. And they see Oswald, as a fellow leftist, as a victim of this McCarthyite hysteria.

On the Right, it's the "Deep State" that tried to get Trump but got JFK. They really don't go after the Cold War policies since they are anti-communists and think they were largely justified. Why the MAGA conspiracy Right thinks they went after JFK is a puzzle to me. JFK as Trump? Trump as JFK? Really?

Where Michael Griffith fits in to this is a mystery. He seems to be a conspiracy hobbyist that is just doing this for...well I don't know. He has nearly everything faked but insists it was 20 to 30 people. He has disinformation agents right now manipulating opinion. And the news media being used to promote the lone assassin theory. It's all Oliver Stone/Jim Garrison type thinking but he's not a leftist. So again, I'm lost as to where he is coming from.

Steve you obviously have spent some time thinking about this. I have noticed it really does not matter what the subject, everyone no matter the age wants to believe in a conspiracy of some kind. Religion is no different than politics is no different than business. Some are basically harmless, but some bring the worst out in people. 

A few decades ago, there was a group here called the Freeman. It was a real study in the psychology of believing in conspiracies. Brothers, sisters, cousins, etc were on opposite sides of the issue. Totally in line with your post it was grievances with the government that fueled the fight. Interesting was in the western part of the state the Freeman were railing against the Forest Service, the center of the state was Fish and Game, and in the Eastern part of the state it was against the Bureau of Land Management. Basically, whatever government agency had a large presence in the area, there was a group of fanatics opposed to them. It was hard to distinguish between the left and the right in these groups.

I don’t understand Michael either. Most of it is off the charts. My mother-in-law had the church and the Illuminati to expound on, Michael has the fragment trails. There is no doubt the conspiracy hook is buried deep in him. I can think of no one on this site that ever-changed course in either way. I have not seen a conspiracy theory yet that cannot be unraveled by common sense. Actually, I think the only people who even care about the assassination is the die hards on this site, and becoming fewer all the time. I know my children could care less.

 

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #170 on: June 14, 2025, 07:00:35 PM »
   You need to stay away from subjects you are unfamiliar with. You're just flailing.
Oh, but I'm very, very, very familiar with this subject. You, on the other hand, haven't been able rebut the point I made about Humes' lack of training or experience with GSWs. That's why you're forced to reply with nothing but empty BS.

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« Reply #171 on: June 14, 2025, 07:05:20 PM »
       D Day was a "conspiracy". Eliminating Bin Laden was a "conspiracy". Not every "conspiracy" is a concept originated by a group of tin foil hat wearing nut jobs. You guys have been brain washed by The Fake News Media. Get yourself a dictionary and look up "conspiracy". Study history. Educate yourself.  Stop polluting your mind with the propaganda being distributed by The Fake News Media. Millions of people have recently gone cold turkey and walked away from the Fake News Media. The Prime Time Network News ratings have ALL Crashed. And CNN and MSNBC ratings are just as bad on cable. Get yourself off of the "dope". You can thank me later.     

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #172 on: June 14, 2025, 07:15:14 PM »
Oh, but I'm very, very, very familiar with this subject. You, on the other hand, haven't been able rebut the point I made about Humes' lack of training or experience with GSWs. That's why you're forced to reply with nothing but empty BS.

   The subject here centered on Humes. But, you prefer to pound your chest and go on about 35+ years, blah, blah, blah. 35+ years or not, nobody knows everything. Do some research in this area and get back to me. I don't wanna be mean, but you currently are coming up short in this area. Again, nobody knows everything. 

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« Reply #173 on: June 14, 2025, 07:30:35 PM »
The subject here centered on Humes. But, you prefer to pound your chest and go on about 35+ years, blah, blah, blah. 35+ years or not, nobody knows everything. Do some research in this area and get back to me. I don't wanna be mean, but you currently are coming up short in this area. Again, nobody knows everything.

Storing,

What's your definition of JFKA "research"?

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #174 on: June 15, 2025, 12:06:10 AM »
   The subject here centered on Humes. But, you prefer to pound your chest and go on about 35+ years, blah, blah, blah. 35+ years or not, nobody knows everything. Do some research in this area and get back to me. I don't wanna be mean, but you currently are coming up short in this area. Again, nobody knows everything.
No. I pointed out that Humes lacked the training or expertise to be considered an authority on gunshot wounds. Your response was pure faux condescension: "With respect to the Humes opinion on the SBT, do the research.  Then we can discuss." In reality, I've done a great deal of research over the SBT, Humes included, over a few decades...and said so. The 35+ years thing is simply a statement of fact.

At the same time, you haven't presented a single sliver of anything to add to the conversation, about Humes or otherwise.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #175 on: June 15, 2025, 08:44:04 PM »
No. I pointed out that Humes lacked the training or expertise to be considered an authority on gunshot wounds. Your response was pure faux condescension: "With respect to the Humes opinion on the SBT, do the research.  Then we can discuss." In reality, I've done a great deal of research over the SBT, Humes included, over a few decades...and said so. The 35+ years thing is simply a statement of fact.

At the same time, you haven't presented a single sliver of anything to add to the conversation, about Humes or otherwise.

  Again, Humes opinion on the SBT had nothing to do with "gunshot wounds".  Just ask me and I'll help you out. Nobody knows it All.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #175 on: June 15, 2025, 08:44:04 PM »