The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

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Online Royell Storing

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #144 on: June 10, 2025, 03:45:08 PM »
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  Not sure where you are getting Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE tracking a, "....separate bullet striking JBC from out of nowhere". Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE found the SBT, "Is Impossible". Please try and stay Factual.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #145 on: June 10, 2025, 03:54:05 PM »
  Not sure where you are getting Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE tracking a, "....separate bullet striking JBC from out of nowhere". Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE found the SBT, "Is Impossible". Please try and stay Factual.

If SBT is impossible, then explain the two shots. Can't?

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #146 on: June 10, 2025, 04:09:39 PM »

  Just stick to the Facts. The SCIENCE.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #147 on: June 10, 2025, 04:44:51 PM »
  Just stick to the Facts. The SCIENCE.

Facts are what? Knotts Lab recreation is a laughable joke, and you have done nothing to change that.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #148 on: June 11, 2025, 05:59:54 PM »
Lend less credence to what people said and pay more attention to the conscious (i.e., not "startle") reactions of JFK, Jackie, JBC, Nellie Connally, Roy Kellerman, George Hickey, and Rosemary Willis to the sounds of the first, missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-124," i.e., half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.
Translation:...more credence to guessing about what they are reacting and ignoring the evidence (if, indeed, they are reacting to anything). 
  • Nellie Connally said that she looked back at JFK after the first shot and never looked back after the second. She is looking back at JFK until about z270. So you guess she was wrong about that. 
  • Hickey said that he reacted by looking at the President and then turning around to the rear for several seconds before turning forward and watching the President when the last two shots were fired.   So you guess he was wrong about that.
  • Rosemary Willis said that she looked back at the TSBD upon hearing the first shot.  Her only turn of her head back to look at the TSBD is at z202-206.  So you guess she was wrong about that.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #149 on: June 11, 2025, 06:10:31 PM »
If SBT is impossible, then explain the two shots. Can't?
There were three shots, and none missed. Easy to explain from the evidence:
  • The first shot just after z186 and just before z202 (Betzner and Willis, VP car occupants, VP security car occupants, actions of SA Ready and Rosemary Willis (head turn z202-206)). Also fits 1..........2.....3 shot pattern, which means JFK was necessarily hit by first shot.
  • Second shot just before Greer makes his first turn to the rear (seen turning at z280-283) and just after Hickey turns around to see JFK at the time of the second shot (he is still turned rearward in Altgens' #6 at z255), and just before he starts sailing forward and falling back onto Nellie.
  • Third shot z313.
Three shots. Three hits. One shooter.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #150 on: June 11, 2025, 08:11:20 PM »
There were three shots, and none missed. Easy to explain from the evidence:
  • The first shot just after z186 and just before z202 (Betzner and Willis, VP car occupants, VP security car occupants, actions of SA Ready and Rosemary Willis (head turn z202-206)). Also fits 1..........2.....3 shot pattern, which means JFK was necessarily hit by first shot.
  • Second shot just before Greer makes his first turn to the rear (seen turning at z280-283) and just after Hickey turns around to see JFK at the time of the second shot (he is still turned rearward in Altgens' #6 at z255), and just before he starts sailing forward and falling back onto Nellie.
  • Third shot z313.
Three shots. Three hits. One shooter.

Good one!

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #151 on: June 12, 2025, 02:41:33 AM »
There were three shots, and none missed. Easy to explain from the evidence:
  • The first shot just after z186 and just before z202 (Betzner and Willis, VP car occupants, VP security car occupants, actions of SA Ready and Rosemary Willis (head turn z202-206)). Also fits 1..........2.....3 shot pattern, which means JFK was necessarily hit by first shot.
  • Second shot just before Greer makes his first turn to the rear (seen turning at z280-283) and just after Hickey turns around to see JFK at the time of the second shot (he is still turned rearward in Altgens' #6 at z255), and just before he starts sailing forward and falling back onto Nellie.
  • Third shot z313.
Three shots. Three hits. One shooter.

It would be better if you would discuss these three shots three hits with Michael Griffith. He is all about this kind of thinking. You won’t have to prove anything to him. In fact, the weirder the better. 

Personally, I think it is as messed up as it gets.

 

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #151 on: June 12, 2025, 02:41:33 AM »