The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

[Michael T. Griffith]

No.  It is crystal clear what Nellie saw and heard. The exact same as Jackie. Mrs. CONNALLY. -----------------------------------As the first shot was hit, and I turned to look at the same time, I recall John saying, "Oh, no, no,  Good for Posner and the HSCA.  The first shot took place where the eyewitnesses stated it took place. Z210-214 Are you making any headway on explaining Knotts Lab missing shooter and bullet?

I'm sorry, but I just can't take your reply seriously. Mrs. Connally said there were three shots. So did Governor Connally.

Another problem with the lapel-flip SBT is that it cannot explain the sudden slamming down of Connally's right shoulder starting in Z238. The Z238-243 shoulder collapse fits perfectly with the bullet's impact at Z234-237. Connally himself identified Z234 as the moment of impact. Interestingly, the two surgeons who operated on Connally, Dr. Charles Gregory and Dr. Robert Shaw, after studying the shooting sequence frame by frame, concluded that Connally was hit between Z234 and Z237.

A fact that most WC apologists ignore is that there is a strong blur episode from Z156-159. The HSCA blur analysis shows that the Z156-159 blur episode manifests in both blur measurements, i.e., percent of field of view and frame-to-frame departure from smooth panning. Several witnesses said the first shot was fired during or immediately after the limo's turn onto Elm Street. A 10-year-old girl named Rosemary Willis, running along the grass to the left of the limousine, begins to noticeably slow down between Z162 and Z174, and she is standing still by no later than Z187. When she was an adult, Ms. Willis explained that she stopped running because she heard a loud noise behind her. This shot was fired at right around Z150.

I mention the Z150 shot because it came no more than 40 frames before the Z186-190 shot, indicating this shot could not have been fired by the same gunman who fired the Z186-190 shot. The Z190-200 blur episode clearly indicates the blur-causing shot was fired at right around Z186. But, even if we assume it was fired at Z190, this would have been only 2.1 seconds after the Z150 shot. Given that the blur starts at Z190, positing the shot at Z190 is unreasonable. We must allow at least 4 frames between shot and blur. A Z186 shot would be only 1.9 seconds after the Z150 shot.

[Jack Nessan]

I'm sorry, but I just can't take your reply seriously. Mrs. Connally said there were three shots. So did Governor Connally.

Another problem with the lapel-flip SBT is that it cannot explain the sudden slamming down of Connally's right shoulder starting in Z238. The Z238-243 shoulder collapse fits perfectly with the bullet's impact at Z234-237. Connally himself identified Z234 as the moment of impact. Interestingly, the two surgeons who operated on Connally, Dr. Charles Gregory and Dr. Robert Shaw, after studying the shooting sequence frame by frame, concluded that Connally was hit between Z234 and Z237.

A fact that most WC apologists ignore is that there is a strong blur episode from Z156-159. The HSCA blur analysis shows that Z156-159 blur episode manifests in both blur measurements, i.e., percent of field of view and frame-to-frame departure from smooth panning. Several witnesses said the first shot was fired during or immediately after the limo's turn onto Elm Street. A 10-year-old girl named Rosemary Willis, running along the grass to the left of the limousine, begins to noticeably slow down between Z162 and Z174, and she is standing still by no later than Z187. When she was an adult, Ms. Willis explained that she stopped running because she heard a loud noise behind her. This shot was fired at right around Z150.

I mention the Z150 shot because it came no more than 40 frames before the Z186-190 shot, indicating this shot could not have been fired by the same gunman who fired Z186-190 shot. The Z190-200 blur episode clearly indicates the blur-causing shot was fired at right around Z186. But, even if we assume it was fired at Z190, this would have been only 2.1 seconds after the Z150 shot. Given that the blur starts at Z190, positing the shot at Z190 is unreasonable. We must allow at least 4 frames between shot and blur. A Z186 shot would be only 1.9 seconds after the Z150 shot.

What cannot be taken seriously is this make-believe storyline. This pseudo evidence is unbelievable. Another back door attempt to add another shooter to the assassination, for no other reason than you want the assassination to be a conspiracy. Not because it was one or this post makes any sense. You are just randomly guessing at the circumstances surrounding the assassination. You are referencing make believe shots that no one heard like they were real. If you cannot explain the wound in JBC’s back and how it got there, then give it up. The rest of this is just useless mumblings.

The eyewitnesses explain by their location exactly where the first shot took place. No guessing or interpretation is required. The eyewitnesses tell you the first shot hit them both. Why do you think they are lying about it. Is that what is required to believe there was a conspiracy? Everyone is lying about everything and only you can decipher the truth?

You want to quote the HSCA but completely ignore the testimony of Thomas Canning explaining there is no explanation for JBC’s wound other that a bullet passing through JFK. You don’t have to believe Mr. Canning; anyone can look at pictures of how JFK and JBC were oriented in the car and come up with the exact same conclusion. Do you think you are not intelligent enough to look at the photos, the same as Mr. Canning, and come up with the exact same conclusion? Maybe it is time to admit SBT is the answer or not and keep chasing your tail.

[Michael T. Griffith]

What cannot be taken seriously is this make-believe storyline. This pseudo evidence is unbelievable. Another back door attempt to add another shooter to the assassination, for no other reason than you want the assassination to be a conspiracy. Not because it was one or this post makes any sense. You are just randomly guessing at the circumstances surrounding the assassination. You are referencing make believe shots that no one heard like they were real. If you cannot explain the wound in JBC’s back and how it got there, then give it up. The rest of this is just useless mumblings.

The eyewitnesses explain by their location exactly where the first shot took place. No guessing or interpretation is required. The eyewitnesses tell you the first shot hit them both. Why do you think they are lying about it. Is that what is required to believe there was a conspiracy? Everyone is lying about everything and only you can decipher the truth?

You want to quote the HSCA but completely ignore the testimony of Thomas Canning explaining there is no explanation for JBC’s wound other that a bullet passing through JFK. You don’t have to believe Mr. Canning; anyone can look at pictures of how JFK and JBC were oriented in the car and come up with the exact same conclusion. Do you think you are not intelligent enough to look at the photos, the same as Mr. Canning, and come up with the exact same conclusion? Maybe it is time to admit SBT is the answer or not and keep chasing your tail.

IOW, your emotional attachment to the lone-gunman theory prevents you from being objective. You dismiss the HSCA's science-based and reenactment-confirmed blur analysis of the Zapruder film because it proves there were four shots at the absolute bare minimum. (The HSCA photographic experts admitted there were seven blur episodes that exceeded the threshold of 2 percent of the field of view and exceeded the threshold of 10 for frame-to-frame departure from smooth panning.)

You ignore the undeniable evidence of the Rosemary Willis reaction in the Zapruder film, which proves a shot was fired before Z162. She slowed down, stopped, and turned to look back because she heard a gunshot. Her slowdown starts no later than Z162, and by Z187 she has completely stopped and is looking back toward the TSBD and the Dal-Tex Building. The girl's reaction meshes perfectly with the blur episode that starts at Z156.

Canning's trajectory analysis was a joke. I am surprised to see anyone citing it after everything we now know about it, not to mention the fact that it was superseded by the far more sophisticated and far more data-driven 2023 Knott Laboratory trajectory analysis, which proved that JFK and Connally were not SBT aligned. I take it you don't know that Canning assumed that JFK was hit at or just before Z190. Anyway, Canning's analysis has been rendered irrelevant by the Knott Lab trajectory analysis. I suggest you read up on the Knott Lab analysis:

https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-lab-uses-forensic-science-to-refute-warren-commission-findings-on-jfk-assassination/

Getting back to Canning's trajectory analysis for a moment, Canning ignored the HSCA medical panel's finding about the magic bullet's trajectory. The HSCA's forensic experts determined from the back wound's abrasion collar that the bullet struck the back at a slightly upward angle. Canning simply ignored this. Also, Canning found that he could not get his vertical trajectory lines to match up if he used the location for the back wound determined by the HSCA's medical panel--because it was nearly 2 inches lower than the bogus location given by the autopsy doctors. Canning brushed aside this problem as a meaningless "experimental error." Canning had to resort to manipulation to make the horizontal trajectory work as well: He had to assume that Connally was positioned so far to the left that his right shoulder was practically in the middle of the jump seat. Frame 224 alone visibly refutes any attempt to move Connally that far to the left.

[Royell Storing]

What cannot be taken seriously is this make-believe storyline. This pseudo evidence is unbelievable. Another back door attempt to add another shooter to the assassination, for no other reason than you want the assassination to be a conspiracy. Not because it was one or this post makes any sense. You are just randomly guessing at the circumstances surrounding the assassination. You are referencing make believe shots that no one heard like they were real. If you cannot explain the wound in JBC’s back and how it got there, then give it up. The rest of this is just useless mumblings.

The eyewitnesses explain by their location exactly where the first shot took place. No guessing or interpretation is required. The eyewitnesses tell you the first shot hit them both. Why do you think they are lying about it. Is that what is required to believe there was a conspiracy? Everyone is lying about everything and only you can decipher the truth?

You want to quote the HSCA but completely ignore the testimony of Thomas Canning explaining there is no explanation for JBC’s wound other that a bullet passing through JFK. You don’t have to believe Mr. Canning; anyone can look at pictures of how JFK and JBC were oriented in the car and come up with the exact same conclusion. Do you think you are not intelligent enough to look at the photos, the same as Mr. Canning, and come up with the exact same conclusion? Maybe it is time to admit SBT is the answer or not and keep chasing your tail.

  You're attempting to Avoid getting into the "timing" issue between shots. PLUS, your good buddy Holland has the shooter now going from a standing up position to a sitting down position between shots #1 and #2. This adds even more to this timing issue conundrum. Holland sold out the Lone Nutter's to get his cockamamie theory on "National Geographic".

[Tom Graves]

[Max] Holland has the shooter now going from a standing up position to a sitting down position between shots #1 and #2.

Storing,

A sitting down position, or a kneeling down position?

If the latter, what do you mean by "now"?

[Jack Nessan]

IOW, your emotional attachment to the lone-gunman theory prevents you from being objective. You dismiss the HSCA's science-based and reenactment-confirmed blur analysis of the Zapruder film because it proves there were four shots at the absolute bare minimum. (The HSCA photographic experts admitted there were seven blur episodes that exceeded the threshold of 2 percent of the field of view and exceeded the threshold of 10 for frame-to-frame departure from smooth panning.)

You ignore the undeniable evidence of the Rosemary Willis reaction in the Zapruder film, which proves a shot was fired before Z162. She slowed down, stopped, and turned to look back because she heard a gunshot. Her slowdown starts no later than Z162, and by Z187 she has completely stopped and is looking back toward the TSBD and the Dal-Tex Building. The girl's reaction meshes perfectly with the blur episode that starts at Z156.

Canning's trajectory analysis was a joke. I am surprised to see anyone citing it after everything we now know about it, not to mention the fact that it was superseded by the far more sophisticated and far more data-driven 2023 Knott Laboratory trajectory analysis, which proved that JFK and Connally were not SBT aligned. I take it you don't know that Canning assumed that JFK was hit at or just before Z190. Anyway, Canning's analysis has been rendered irrelevant by the Knott Lab trajectory analysis. I suggest you read up on the Knott Lab analysis:

https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-lab-uses-forensic-science-to-refute-warren-commission-findings-on-jfk-assassination/

Getting back to Canning's trajectory analysis for a moment, Canning ignored the HSCA medical panel's finding about the magic bullet's trajectory. The HSCA's forensic experts determined from the back wound's abrasion collar that the bullet struck the back at a slightly upward angle. Canning simply ignored this. Also, Canning found that he could not get his vertical trajectory lines to match up if he used the location for the back wound determined by the HSCA's medical panel--because it was nearly 2 inches lower than the bogus location given by the autopsy doctors. Canning brushed aside this problem as a meaningless "experimental error." Canning had to resort to manipulation to make the horizontal trajectory work as well: He had to assume that Connally was positioned so far to the left that his right shoulder was practically in the middle of the jump seat. Frame 224 alone visibly refutes any attempt to move Connally that far to the left.

There always must be a Rosemary Willis reference in any good once upon a time conspiracy story. The story’s plot is a young girl, who has supernatural dog ears hearing, now relates hearing a shot nobody else in Dealey Plaza hears. Bippity Boppety Boop and a conspiracy is born.

“it was superseded by the far more sophisticated and far more data-driven 2023 Knott Laboratory trajectory analysis, which proved that JFK and Connally were not SBT aligned.”

A shot at Z190 did not happen unless you think JFK continued to wave at Woodward and friends despite being shot through the throat. That JFK what a trooper.

The eyewitnesses state where the first shot took place. Pay attention to them.

Canning was spot on. Knotts Lab proved Canning was correct. The green line, lines up perfectly with the JBC back wound when Knotts Lab move JFK and JBC to where Canning thought they were sitting.

All this nonsense you post circling around the main issue of SBT does not change the central issue of your contention there was two separate shots wounding these men and not just one. Until you explain what happened to the bullet passing through JFK and where is the shooter for JBC’s wounds you appear to be flopping around looking for validity.

 

[Jack Nessan]

  You're attempting to Avoid getting into the "timing" issue between shots. PLUS, your good buddy Holland has the shooter now going from a standing up position to a sitting down position between shots #1 and #2. This adds even more to this timing issue conundrum. Holland sold out the Lone Nutter's to get his cockamamie theory on "National Geographic".

Wow. A total of only two shots, six seconds apart, and you think there is a timing issue? Try posting only when you are sober.