The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

[Michael T. Griffith]

What cannot be taken seriously is this make-believe storyline. This pseudo evidence is unbelievable. Another back door attempt to add another shooter to the assassination, for no other reason than you want the assassination to be a conspiracy. Not because it was one or this post makes any sense. You are just randomly guessing at the circumstances surrounding the assassination. You are referencing make believe shots that no one heard like they were real. If you cannot explain the wound in JBC’s back and how it got there, then give it up. The rest of this is just useless mumblings.

The eyewitnesses explain by their location exactly where the first shot took place. No guessing or interpretation is required. The eyewitnesses tell you the first shot hit them both. Why do you think they are lying about it. Is that what is required to believe there was a conspiracy? Everyone is lying about everything and only you can decipher the truth?

You want to quote the HSCA but completely ignore the testimony of Thomas Canning explaining there is no explanation for JBC’s wound other that a bullet passing through JFK. You don’t have to believe Mr. Canning; anyone can look at pictures of how JFK and JBC were oriented in the car and come up with the exact same conclusion. Do you think you are not intelligent enough to look at the photos, the same as Mr. Canning, and come up with the exact same conclusion? Maybe it is time to admit SBT is the answer or not and keep chasing your tail.

IOW, your emotional attachment to the lone-gunman theory prevents you from being objective. You dismiss the HSCA's science-based and reenactment-confirmed blur analysis of the Zapruder film because it proves there were four shots at the absolute bare minimum. (The HSCA photographic experts admitted there were seven blur episodes that exceeded the threshold of 2 percent of the field of view and exceeded the threshold of 10 for frame-to-frame departure from smooth panning.)

You ignore the undeniable evidence of the Rosemary Willis reaction in the Zapruder film, which proves a shot was fired before Z162. She slowed down, stopped, and turned to look back because she heard a gunshot. Her slowdown starts no later than Z162, and by Z187 she has completely stopped and is looking back toward the TSBD and the Dal-Tex Building. The girl's reaction meshes perfectly with the blur episode that starts at Z156.

Canning's trajectory analysis was a joke. I am surprised to see anyone citing it after everything we now know about it, not to mention the fact that it was superseded by the far more sophisticated and far more data-driven 2023 Knott Laboratory trajectory analysis, which proved that JFK and Connally were not SBT aligned. I take it you don't know that Canning assumed that JFK was hit at or just before Z190. Anyway, Canning's analysis has been rendered irrelevant by the Knott Lab trajectory analysis. I suggest you read up on the Knott Lab analysis:

https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-lab-uses-forensic-science-to-refute-warren-commission-findings-on-jfk-assassination/

Getting back to Canning's trajectory analysis for a moment, Canning ignored the HSCA medical panel's finding about the magic bullet's trajectory. The HSCA's forensic experts determined from the back wound's abrasion collar that the bullet struck the back at a slightly upward angle. Canning simply ignored this. Also, Canning found that he could not get his vertical trajectory lines to match up if he used the location for the back wound determined by the HSCA's medical panel--because it was nearly 2 inches lower than the bogus location given by the autopsy doctors. Canning brushed aside this problem as a meaningless "experimental error." Canning had to resort to manipulation to make the horizontal trajectory work as well: He had to assume that Connally was positioned so far to the left that his right shoulder was practically in the middle of the jump seat. Frame 224 alone visibly refutes any attempt to move Connally that far to the left.

[Royell Storing]

What cannot be taken seriously is this make-believe storyline. This pseudo evidence is unbelievable. Another back door attempt to add another shooter to the assassination, for no other reason than you want the assassination to be a conspiracy. Not because it was one or this post makes any sense. You are just randomly guessing at the circumstances surrounding the assassination. You are referencing make believe shots that no one heard like they were real. If you cannot explain the wound in JBC’s back and how it got there, then give it up. The rest of this is just useless mumblings.

The eyewitnesses explain by their location exactly where the first shot took place. No guessing or interpretation is required. The eyewitnesses tell you the first shot hit them both. Why do you think they are lying about it. Is that what is required to believe there was a conspiracy? Everyone is lying about everything and only you can decipher the truth?

You want to quote the HSCA but completely ignore the testimony of Thomas Canning explaining there is no explanation for JBC’s wound other that a bullet passing through JFK. You don’t have to believe Mr. Canning; anyone can look at pictures of how JFK and JBC were oriented in the car and come up with the exact same conclusion. Do you think you are not intelligent enough to look at the photos, the same as Mr. Canning, and come up with the exact same conclusion? Maybe it is time to admit SBT is the answer or not and keep chasing your tail.

  You're attempting to Avoid getting into the "timing" issue between shots. PLUS, your good buddy Holland has the shooter now going from a standing up position to a sitting down position between shots #1 and #2. This adds even more to this timing issue conundrum. Holland sold out the Lone Nutter's to get his cockamamie theory on "National Geographic".

[Tom Graves]

[Max] Holland has the shooter now going from a standing up position to a sitting down position between shots #1 and #2.

Storing,

A sitting down position, or a kneeling down position?

If the latter, what do you mean by "now"?

[Jack Nessan]

IOW, your emotional attachment to the lone-gunman theory prevents you from being objective. You dismiss the HSCA's science-based and reenactment-confirmed blur analysis of the Zapruder film because it proves there were four shots at the absolute bare minimum. (The HSCA photographic experts admitted there were seven blur episodes that exceeded the threshold of 2 percent of the field of view and exceeded the threshold of 10 for frame-to-frame departure from smooth panning.)

You ignore the undeniable evidence of the Rosemary Willis reaction in the Zapruder film, which proves a shot was fired before Z162. She slowed down, stopped, and turned to look back because she heard a gunshot. Her slowdown starts no later than Z162, and by Z187 she has completely stopped and is looking back toward the TSBD and the Dal-Tex Building. The girl's reaction meshes perfectly with the blur episode that starts at Z156.

Canning's trajectory analysis was a joke. I am surprised to see anyone citing it after everything we now know about it, not to mention the fact that it was superseded by the far more sophisticated and far more data-driven 2023 Knott Laboratory trajectory analysis, which proved that JFK and Connally were not SBT aligned. I take it you don't know that Canning assumed that JFK was hit at or just before Z190. Anyway, Canning's analysis has been rendered irrelevant by the Knott Lab trajectory analysis. I suggest you read up on the Knott Lab analysis:

https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-lab-uses-forensic-science-to-refute-warren-commission-findings-on-jfk-assassination/

Getting back to Canning's trajectory analysis for a moment, Canning ignored the HSCA medical panel's finding about the magic bullet's trajectory. The HSCA's forensic experts determined from the back wound's abrasion collar that the bullet struck the back at a slightly upward angle. Canning simply ignored this. Also, Canning found that he could not get his vertical trajectory lines to match up if he used the location for the back wound determined by the HSCA's medical panel--because it was nearly 2 inches lower than the bogus location given by the autopsy doctors. Canning brushed aside this problem as a meaningless "experimental error." Canning had to resort to manipulation to make the horizontal trajectory work as well: He had to assume that Connally was positioned so far to the left that his right shoulder was practically in the middle of the jump seat. Frame 224 alone visibly refutes any attempt to move Connally that far to the left.

There always must be a Rosemary Willis reference in any good once upon a time conspiracy story. The story’s plot is a young girl, who has supernatural dog ears hearing, now relates hearing a shot nobody else in Dealey Plaza hears. Bippity Boppety Boop and a conspiracy is born.

“it was superseded by the far more sophisticated and far more data-driven 2023 Knott Laboratory trajectory analysis, which proved that JFK and Connally were not SBT aligned.”

A shot at Z190 did not happen unless you think JFK continued to wave at Woodward and friends despite being shot through the throat. That JFK what a trooper.

The eyewitnesses state where the first shot took place. Pay attention to them.

Canning was spot on. Knotts Lab proved Canning was correct. The green line, lines up perfectly with the JBC back wound when Knotts Lab move JFK and JBC to where Canning thought they were sitting.

All this nonsense you post circling around the main issue of SBT does not change the central issue of your contention there was two separate shots wounding these men and not just one. Until you explain what happened to the bullet passing through JFK and where is the shooter for JBC’s wounds you appear to be flopping around looking for validity.

 

[Jack Nessan]

  You're attempting to Avoid getting into the "timing" issue between shots. PLUS, your good buddy Holland has the shooter now going from a standing up position to a sitting down position between shots #1 and #2. This adds even more to this timing issue conundrum. Holland sold out the Lone Nutter's to get his cockamamie theory on "National Geographic".

Wow. A total of only two shots, six seconds apart, and you think there is a timing issue? Try posting only when you are sober.

[Royell Storing]

Storing,

A sitting down position, or a kneeling down position?

If the latter, what do you mean by "now"?

   The WC did Not have the sniper's nest shooter doing a Jack-in-the-box. This is why the WC focused on the position of the boxes inside the sniper's nest.  The shooter's alleged up-n-down routine is a Holland "The Lost Bullet" twist. This is what I mean by "now" even though that "twist" does date back. The LN's have always failed to make the 6 Second elapsed firing time for 3 shots fired from a bolt action rifle work. Holland has almost doubled the elapsed firing time to roughly 11 seconds, with the Shooter firing Shot #1 almost straight down, and the shooter then stumbling over those boxes to get down into a sitting position to fire shots #2 and #3. 

[Tom Graves]

The WC did Not have the sniper's nest shooter doing a Jack-in-the-box. This is why the WC focused on the position of the boxes inside the sniper's nest.  The shooter's alleged up-n-down routine is a Holland "The Lost Bullet" twist. This is what I mean by "now" even though that "twist" does date back. The LN's have always failed to make the 6 Second elapsed firing time for 3 shots fired from a bolt action rifle work. Holland has almost doubled the elapsed firing time to roughly 11 seconds, with the Shooter firing Shot #1 almost straight down, and the shooter then stumbling over those boxes to get down into a sitting position to fire shots #2 and #3.

Storing,

The Warren Commission didn't realize that Oswald had taken 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza, and that his first one had missed everything at hypothetical "Z-124," i.e., half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.

[Andrew Mason]

Storing,

The Warren Commission didn't realize that Oswald had taken 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza, and that his first one had missed everything at hypothetical "Z-124," i.e., half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.

Z124 doesn't fit with what Jim Towner or Tina Towner recalled.  Jim Towner estimated the first shot was 10 or 15 seconds after taking this photo:


Tina Towner estimated that the first shot was 4, 5 maybe 6 seconds after she stopped filming. This is her last frame:


See the Towner family oral history video beginning at 114:00:


https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/jim-pat-and-tina-towner-oral-history/