Oswald: No power lunch

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Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #147 on: September 04, 2021, 01:58:49 AM »
Oswald gets to the 2nd floor after 48 sec (Sixth Floor Museum measurements)(see their youtube footage).
Oswald stops.  What to do next? 
Should he continue down to the first floor? 
Should he go to the first floor via the front stairs? 
Should he lay low in the lunch room? 
His jacket is in the Domino Room.
Uh Oh -- He hears Adams & Styles klomping down the stairs above him in a real hurry on a mission.
Best to duck over & hide near the coke machine in the lunch room & hope that whoever it is goes clean past.
They pass. He comes back out. What to do next?
He can't decide.  He will be less conspicuous if he takes the front stairs, but he would then have to walk back into & throo the storage area to get his jacket in the Domino Room.
He decides to continue down the back stairs.
He makes a start but then Truly hollers up the elevator shaft, so he goes back up.
Then he hears Baker & Truly galloping up the stairs, & he retreats to the coke machine a second time.
He walks slow & cool. 
He would have been better off diving into the lunchroom in a hurry, & laying low, koz he already knows that there is no-one in there, but he knows that if seen rushing (by Truly & Co) it will be a sure sign that he is guilty of something.
He nearly makes it, another couple of slow steps & he will be out of sight.
But damn, Baker spots a bit of him throo the glass of the door & says to come back.
Truly says that Oswald works here, & Baker & Truly gallop off.
Oswald gets a coke to look less guilty & more cool if confronted again.  And assassinations go better with coke.
The back stairs are now dangerous.  He heads for the front stairs, either forgetting about his jacket or deciding that his jacket is a dead duck.
But just in case more dumb cops are entering along the corridor he goes via the office.
Damn, he meets Jeraldean Reid as she returns to her desk.  She says something as they pass & he mumbles something back.  Its not a good look.  He has no business in the office, unless wanting change for the coke machine. Its not even a short cut to the stairs. Damn.  Anyhow no big deal.
He goes down the front stairs & mixes with the growing throng in the lobby near the front door without raising any suspicion.
Someone asks him about a phone.
Ok, things aint so bad, praps he can take a chance & get his jacket from the Domino Room anyhow.
Hmmm – he can get his jacket by going out the front door & down the steps & around & entering via the Houston dock (like he does each morning), & walking 13 paces to the jacket. 
Getting caught walking in shouldn’t result in getting bitten by a cop.
So, off he goes, but he gets a little ways up Houston & he sees Officer Barnett on sentry duty at the dock, & Barnett looks vicious.
So, a quick U-turn & back down Houston.  Buell Frazier sees him walking south along Houston.
No, the jacket is a dead duck.  He decides to get out of there asap, he crosses Houston & then crosses Elm.
Tippit is waiting.

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #148 on: September 04, 2021, 02:01:42 AM »
Styles said that they firstly went to the lift for a while.
Styles said that they didnt leave the window immediately, she said they stayed at the window for a while.
Hence there is little value in any talk about their exact route.
Whichever route they took, Oswald was more than 10 sec ahead.
And the timing of Oswald getting to the 2nd floor, & Adams & Styles getting to the 2nd floor, & Truly & Baker getting to the 2nd floor, works perfectly.
I will re-post my detailed analysis in a minute or two.

Styles said that they firstly went to the lift for a while.

Styles mentioned it once in an interview. In other interviews she said something different. She is not a reliable witness.

Again, you are making the error of cherry picking evidence and not looking at the bigger picture.

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #149 on: September 04, 2021, 02:07:43 AM »


JohnM

A deliberate misrepresentation of the facts and a physical impossibility. It's already explained and debunked.

Shelley and Lovelady were in front of the building when the shots were fired. They ran along the street to the railway yard where they stayed for several minutes. Those men were no way near the stairs of the first floor until at least five minutes after the shots. Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles left the stairs before Baker and Truly got there and left the building through a door at the back. They ran towards the railway yard, where they saw Shelley and Lovelady, before walking to the front of the building, where Adams heard a police radio call at 12:36.

Care to explain to me how Adams and Styles could have seen Shelley and Lovelady at the bottom of the stairs, when both men were not even back in the building until at least 5 minutes after the shots?

Or, alternatively, if you are going to claim that Adams and Styles did not leave the 4th floor until several minutes after the shots, how can Dorothy Garner say that they went down before Baker and Truly came up?

 

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #150 on: September 04, 2021, 02:14:27 AM »
Styles said that they firstly went to the lift for a while.

Styles mentioned it once in an interview. In other interviews she said something different. She is not a reliable witness.

Again, you are making the error of cherry picking evidence and not looking at the bigger picture.
They went to the lift.
In addition Styles said that they delayed at the window, & that it was not a short delay, but i forget her exact wording.
Adams & Styles exited the 1st floor a few seconds after Truly & Baker entered.

My only problem is that Barnett did not see Adams & Styles exiting to Houston St.
And that Romack did not see Adams & Styles exiting to Houston St.
But this is not a major problem.

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #151 on: September 04, 2021, 02:17:42 AM »



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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #152 on: September 04, 2021, 02:26:22 AM »



JohnM

Stop messing around. Just answer my questions.....

Care to explain to me how Adams and Styles could have seen Shelley and Lovelady at the bottom of the stairs, when both men were not even back in the building until at least 5 minutes after the shots?

Or, alternatively, if you are going to claim that Adams and Styles did not leave the 4th floor until several minutes after the shots, how can Dorothy Garner say that they went down before Baker and Truly came up?
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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #153 on: September 04, 2021, 02:27:37 AM »
They went to the lift.
In addition Styles said that they delayed at the window, & that it was not a short delay, but i forget her exact wording.
Adams & Styles exited the 1st floor a few seconds after Truly & Baker entered.

My only problem is that Barnett did not see Adams & Styles exiting to Houston St.
And that Romack did not see Adams & Styles exiting to Houston St.
But this is not a major problem.

Sorry, I give up. I can't debate such amazing ignorance.