Oswald: No power lunch

[Alan Ford]

Jack Dougherty said that he ate lunch in the Domino Room from 12:00 until 12:30 (or shortly before 12:30).
Jack then took a lift to the 6th floor or 5th floor to get stock.
Jack said that he saw LHO twice that day -- (1) entering the building at 8:00 am, & (2) on the 6th floor at about 11:00 am.

He later told Mr Gill Toff that he saw Mr Oswald in the second-floor lunchroom before the motorcade

Jack did not mention whether Jarman or Norman entered the Domino Room at about 12:10.
Jack did not mention whether Jarman or Norman walked past the Domino Room at about 12:26.

He had already gone back upstairs by this time-----------and Mr Oswald had come back down to the first floor (from the second floor) to eat lunch in the now vacated domino room

[Alan Ford]

Brennan also claimed to have seen somebody in the window well before the arrival of the motorcade.

Another reason, of course, why the Warren Gullibles desperately need to explain away Mr Oswald's citing/sighting of Messrs Norman & Jarman passing through ca. 12:26. They're not succeeding! 

[Alan Ford]

The information clearly given in this part of Agent Hosty's draft report of the first interrogation of Mr Oswald was too dangerous to the case against Mr Oswald, and so it was filtered out in the later official reports--------------- and only saw the light of day (to the horror of Warren Gullibles and lunchroom-fixated CTs everywhere) in 2019



In this one small paragraph we have laid out THE counter-narrative of Mr Oswald's movements. From it we can reasonably construct the sequence of events:

-Around noon Mr Oswald breaks for lunch
-He comes downstairs, where he is seen by Mr Shelley and Mr Piper
-He washes up and (perhaps) answers nature's call in the men's room
-He goes up to the second floor lunchroom to buy a coke with his lunch and sits down there for a few minutes (seen there or in the vicinity by Ms Carolyn Arnold, Mr Jack Dougherty and Ms Sarah Stanton)
-He returns to the first floor and has (or continues having) lunch standing around in the now empty domino room
-He periodically goes up to the front door of the building to check for any sign of the motorcade's arrival (he doesn't want to stand around with other employees on the steps beforehand but he does want to watch the P. Parade)
-Ca. 12:26 he notices Messrs Jarman & Norman re-enter the building via the Houston St. dock
-Perhaps taking the men's brisk movements as a sign that the motorcade's arrival is imminent, he goes outside to watch the P. Parade
-He is caught on film by both Mr Wiegman and Mr Darnell standing (with still unfinished lunch/coke) by the west wall of the Depository entrance
-Very shortly after the shooting he is asked by a motorcycle officer running up the steps where the stairs are
-Before he can answer, his boss Mr Truly comes up and offers to escort the officer (all seen by Mr Billy Lovelady and reported to the press that day by DPD)
-Shortly after this, a crewcut man flashing credentials comes running up and asks Mr Oswald where the nearest phone is: Mr Oswald jerks his thumb and says 'In there' (meaning on the shipping floor)

This is a straightforward sequence of events, but the efforts that went into covering it up were far from straightforward!

 

[Jerry Organ]

He later told Mr Gill Toff that he saw Mr Oswald in the second-floor lunchroom before the motorcade

He had already gone back upstairs by this time-----------and Mr Oswald had come back down to the first floor (from the second floor) to eat lunch in the now vacated domino room

I thought Oswald went to lunch at noon.



You just said it: "Around noon Mr Oswald breaks for lunch". But it should read "Around At noon Mr Oswald breaks went for lunch". Maybe he got a Coke on the way down, but he ought to arrive no later that 12:03-ish

But those in the Domino Room don't remember Oswald being there. And if Oswald brought a lunch, why did he lie about placing the bag it was in on the back seat of Frazier's car?

BTW, you know the "went to 2nd floor to get Coco Cola to eat with lunch" was to justify his presence in the Second Floor Lunchroom just after the assassination (Oswald was in flight and he ducked in there when he heard Truly and Baker coming up the stairs). And no one expects Oswald to be telling the officials what he really was doing during the assassination.

This yo-yo scenario you have Oswald doing is good for a laugh.

[John Mytton]

It doesn't matter how far the window could open, the only thing that matters is how far the window was open on 11/22/63 and this evidence photo shows you exactly how far it was open on that day;



there is no way that anybody sitting on the window sill, could stick his head out of the window to look straight down.

As I understand it, the original window was removed six weeks after the assassination, by D.H. Byrd. The odds that your photo was taken after that are far greater than the photo being taken within those six weeks.

True, looking at the arch, it seems to be one of the 6th floor windows in the center of the building. But the photo is useful nevertheless as it clearly shows just how far Hill was hanging out the window. That's how far Oswald also would have to be hanging out of the window to see who was right beneath him on the sidewalk. I seriously doubt that you even remotely believe that actually happened!

Perhaps you need to take a step back and rethink this thing. A man who wants to assassinate the President, suddenly decides to draw attention to himself, at least 5 minutes prior to the arrival of the motorcade, by sticking his head out of the window and looking straight down to see who was on the sidewalk. Really? That makes sense to you?

It doesn't matter how far the window could open, the only thing that matters is how far the window was open on 11/22/63 and this evidence photo shows you exactly how far it was open on that day;

Does that mean you can't find evidence to support your claim? And your next claim that how far the window was open that day based on a photo taken after 12:30 on the 22nd is absurd on every level.

there is no way that anybody sitting on the window sill, could stick his head out of the window to look straight down.

C'mon Martin, that's just a silly attempt at refutation, even if the window was stuck at the height shown after 12:30 Oswald could have been sitting on the window sill with his torso on the outside of the window and considering Brennan said he could see Oswald from the hips up strongly suggests that Oswald wasn't being obscured behind a reflected sky and a dirty glass panel which makes seeing behind the glass difficult.

As I understand it, the original window was removed six weeks after the assassination, by D.H. Byrd. The odds that your photo was taken after that are far greater than the photo being taken within those six weeks.

Fair enough, the fact that they would be doing recreations so soon after the assassination could be seen as bad taste, so while not impossible I lean towards the photo being taken after 6 weeks.

True, looking at the arch, it seems to be one of the 6th floor windows in the center of the building.

Yep.

But the photo is useful nevertheless as it clearly shows just how far Hill was hanging out the window. That's how far Oswald also would have to be hanging out of the window to see who was right beneath him on the sidewalk. I seriously doubt that you even remotely believe that actually happened! 

Brennan says that when Oswald was sitting on the window sill was only one time Oswald came to the window alluding to the fact that Oswald came to the window more than once and Oswald could have easily emulated Gerald Hill's position, thanks for pointing that out how far someone could hang out.

Perhaps you need to take a step back and rethink this thing. A man who wants to assassinate the President, suddenly decides to draw attention to himself, at least 5 minutes prior to the arrival of the motorcade, by sticking his head out of the window and looking straight down to see who was on the sidewalk. Really? That makes sense to you?

Not at all, nobody could give two spombleprofglidnoctobunss about some random bloke in a random window checking out what's going on around him  before the assassination, in fact being barely visible while hiding in the shadows would be more suspect. But Oswald allegedly being seen with a rifle long before Kennedy's arrival, I do find a little brazen.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

I thought Oswald went to lunch at noon.



You just said it: "Around noon Mr Oswald breaks for lunch". But it should read "Around At noon Mr Oswald breaks went for lunch". Maybe he got a Coke on the way down, but he ought to arrive no later that 12:03-ish

But those in the Domino Room don't remember Oswald being there. And if Oswald brought a lunch, why did he lie about placing the bag it was in on the back seat of Frazier's car?

BTW, you know the "went to 2nd floor to get Coco Cola to eat with lunch" was to justify his presence in the Second Floor Lunchroom just after the assassination (Oswald was in flight and he ducked in there when he heard Truly and Baker coming up the stairs). And no one expects Oswald to be telling the officials what he really was doing during the assassination.

This yo-yo scenario you have Oswald doing is good for a laugh.

To fabricate an entire theory out of whole cloth is something that is a Ct standard, but Ford takes this concept to entirely new level, he takes the tiniest innocuous statement completely out of context and creates a vast conspiracy and along the way he will throw anyone and everyone under a bus who dares contradict any part of his latest fantasy, but God bless him because all he's accomplishing is irreparably damaging the entire conspiracy movement.

JohnM

[Walt Cakebread]

Does that mean you can't find evidence to support your claim? And your next claim that how far the window was open that day based on a photo taken after 12:30 on the 22nd is absurd on every level.

C'mon Martin, that's just a silly attempt at refutation, even if the window was stuck at the height shown after 12:30 Oswald could have been sitting on the window sill with his torso on the outside of the window and considering Brennan said he could see Oswald from the hips up strongly suggests that Oswald wasn't being obscured behind a reflected sky and a dirty glass panel which makes seeing behind the glass difficult.



Fair enough, the fact that they would be doing recreations so soon after the assassination could be seen as bad taste, so while not impossible I lean towards the photo being taken after 6 weeks.

Yep.

Brennan says that when Oswald was sitting on the window sill was only one time Oswald came to the window alluding to the fact that Oswald came to the window more than once and Oswald could have easily emulated Gerald Hill's position, thanks for pointing that out how far someone could hang out.

Not at all, nobody could give two spombleprofglidnoctobunss about some random bloke in a random window checking out what's going on around him  before the assassination, in fact being barely visible while hiding in the shadows would be more suspect. But Oswald allegedly being seen with a rifle long before Kennedy's arrival, I do find a little brazen.

JohnM

Notice the red rings in the windows of the TSBD.

[Martin Weidmann]

Does that mean you can't find evidence to support your claim? And your next claim that how far the window was open that day based on a photo taken after 12:30 on the 22nd is absurd on every level.

C'mon Martin, that's just a silly attempt at refutation, even if the window was stuck at the height shown after 12:30 Oswald could have been sitting on the window sill with his torso on the outside of the window and considering Brennan said he could see Oswald from the hips up strongly suggests that Oswald wasn't being obscured behind a reflected sky and a dirty glass panel which makes seeing behind the glass difficult.

Your opinions and "could have been" arguments mean nothing. There is not a shred of evidence for them

Oswald could have been sitting on the window sill with his torso on the outside of the window

You actually believe this? Really?... That's hilarious

But thank you for the photo, as it shows exactly that the window wasn't even halfway open. For anybody to stick their head and torso out (to look down to the sidewalk just below them, to see who was there - only minutes prior to the arrival of the motorcade, remember?) - would require that person to be on his knees to begin with. There is no way it can be done by somebody sitting on the window sill

Brennan says that when Oswald was sitting on the window sill was only one time Oswald came to the window alluding to the fact that Oswald came to the window more than once and Oswald could have easily emulated Gerald Hill's position, thanks for pointing that out how far someone could hang out.

Huh? What the hell are you trying to say here? Never mind... let me just ask you a simple question; Did Brennan or anybody else say they saw a man hanging out of the s/n window (in the same manner as Hill) some 5 minutes prior to the arrival of the motorcade? If the answer is no, all you have is another "could have" argument that goes nowhere.
 

Not at all, nobody could give two spombleprofglidnoctobunss about some random bloke in a random window checking out what's going on around him  before the assassination, in fact being barely visible while hiding in the shadows would be more suspect. But Oswald allegedly being seen with a rifle long before Kennedy's arrival, I do find a little brazen.

JohnM

You really need help