Oswald: No power lunch

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #532 on: October 18, 2021, 10:10:48 PM »
Mr. Barnett  - Yes, sir; I was back where No. 8 is then. That was probably 2 1/2 minutes after the last shot was fired. About that time, my sergeant came up from this way, from the north of Houston Street and asked me to get the name of that building.

Barnett's sergeant is Sergeant Howard.
Barnett has returned to near his original position and Howard approaches him from "north of Houston".
Presumably Howard is one of the officers Barnett sees behind the TSBD.
I can't find any statements from Sergeant Howard.
Inexplicably he is not asked to give testimony before the WC.

Good observation.

It wouldn't have taken Barnett more than 30 seconds to run from the back of the building to the corner of Elm and Houston, where No. 8 is located on CE 354   https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_354.pdf

Which means there were cops at the back of the TSBD within 2 minutes after the shots and Howard may well have been one of them. Who most certainly wasn't one of them was Harkness, who did not get there until 12.36 at the earliest. By roughly that time, Styles had already re-entered the TSBD through the front entrance.

Online Dan O'meara

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« Reply #533 on: October 18, 2021, 10:27:34 PM »


The above image is a crop from Willis 8
The lady in the red circle is Sandra Styles.
The lady in the yellow circle is Vicki Adams.
These identifications have been made by Linda Zambanini
If correct, it would be useful to try and nail down when this pic was taken.

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« Reply #534 on: October 19, 2021, 12:16:44 PM »
This is all a bit sketchy at the moment but it might be a way of determining how quickly Adams and Styles were at the front of the TSBD.

Below is another crop from Willis 8.
The red arrow highlights an area of the TSBD building visible through the crowd.



It seems to me we should be able to see Sawyer's car here, which he parked in front of the TSBD entrance. I believe the pic below shows Sawyer arriving at the TSBD, note how close to the front entrance his car is parked:



If Zambanini's identification of Adams and Styles is correct...
If it is Sawyer's car arriving at the TSBD...
If Sawyer's car us not visible in Willis 8 when it should be...

...then Willis 8 shows Adams and Styles outside the steps of the TSBD before Sawyer arrives there @ 12:34 pm.

I told you it was sketchy.

Online Dan O'meara

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« Reply #535 on: October 20, 2021, 03:00:50 AM »
I found this pic by Skaggs (I must once again thank Robin Unger for his invaluable contribution to JFK research)



It appears to have been taken shortly after the Willis pic and now shows, what I presume to be, Sawyer's car parked outside the front of the TSBD entrance. Many of the same people are in this pic as in Willis including the woman identified as Vicki Adams (red arrow).

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #536 on: October 20, 2021, 07:05:07 PM »
I found this pic by Skaggs (I must once again thank Robin Unger for his invaluable contribution to JFK research)



It appears to have been taken shortly after the Willis pic and now shows, what I presume to be, Sawyer's car parked outside the front of the TSBD entrance. Many of the same people are in this pic as in Willis including the woman identified as Vicki Adams (red arrow).

You may well be on to something here..

Mr. BELIN. What did you do then?
Mr. SAWYER. Then I went on down to the Texas Book Depository.
Mr. BELIN. Where did you park your car?
Mr. SAWYER. In front of the Texas School Book Depository.
Mr. BELIN. In front of the main entrance there?
Mr. SAWYER. In front of the main entrance.


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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #537 on: October 20, 2021, 08:07:40 PM »
You may well be on to something here..

Mr. BELIN. What did you do then?
Mr. SAWYER. Then I went on down to the Texas Book Depository.
Mr. BELIN. Where did you park your car?
Mr. SAWYER. In front of the Texas School Book Depository.
Mr. BELIN. In front of the main entrance there?
Mr. SAWYER. In front of the main entrance.

More importantly, Sawyer gives his time of arrival around !2:34 pm.
If Linda's identification is correct it is possible the Willis pic shows Adams out front of the TSBD before 12:34 pm

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #538 on: October 21, 2021, 05:56:56 AM »
More importantly, Sawyer gives his time of arrival around !2:34 pm.
If Linda's identification is correct it is possible the Willis pic shows Adams out front of the TSBD before 12:34 pm

Sawyer says that he remembered a transmission on channel 2 saying that a gunman was seen in a TSBD window, but his memory is vague about the exact transmission. That would mark the latest time he was still in his car listening to the radio. The first such transmission  on channel two is Haygood's at 12:35 (not 12:34):

Haygood: I just talked to a guy up here who was standing close to it and the best he could tell it came from the Texas School Book Depository Building here with that Hertz Renting sign on top.

Dispatcher: 10-4. Get his name, address, telephone number there - all the information that you can from him. 12:35 p.m.

The next is Harkness' transmission at 12:36:

Dispatcher:  Attention all emergency equipment, do no use Industrial Boulevard......12:36
Harkness: I have a witness that says that it came from the 5th floor of the Texas Book Depository Store.

In the Martin film, you can see Amos Euins riding on the back of Harkness' three-wheeler eastwards from behind the pergola. They're headed towards Houston on Old Elm. In the background, in front of the TSBD entrance, a car pulls in to park. That car looks like the one that you think is Sawyer's. Harkness remembered the sequence like this:

Mr. HARKNESS - I found a little colored boy, Amos Euins, who told me he saw the shots come from that building.
Mr. BELIN - Now you just picked out a little small book, one of those little pocket notebooks?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Or a notepad from your pocket here. Is that the original notation that you made?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - When did you make that notation?
Mr. HARKNESS - Immediately after the shooting.
Mr. BELIN - Is that your own record that you have kept in your possession since then?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir. I turned.
Mr. BELIN - You turned what?
Mr. HARKNESS - After I took his name and address and put this information on the radio, I then took him on the back of my three-wheel motorcycle and put him in Inspector Sawyer's car.

So if Harkness made his 12:36 transmission before he put Euins on the motorcyle, and the car in the Martin film belongs to Sawyer, then Sawyer could not have parked in front of the Depository before 12:36


BTW, this is the best online version of the Martin film I can find. Euins and Harkness (+subsequent paleophotobomb) appear about 0:50 in:


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