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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #861 on: March 19, 2021, 01:21:31 AM »
A curtain rods fingerprint card from Lt Day. Note the date--------------------



The rods were tested for prints the day after they were released to Howlett?


Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #862 on: March 19, 2021, 01:24:56 AM »
On November 22 and 23, 1963, the Paine garage was, as one would expect, very thoroughly searched.............



As one would most certainly NOT expect, given the centrality of curtain rods to the Oswald case, not a single report anywhere mentions anything about curtain rods in that garage.

If Mr Oswald had brought no curtain rods to the Depository the morning of the assassination, the following would have happened:

ALL curtain rods in the garage before the assassination would have still been in the garage and would have been immediately found and recorded as having been found in the garage. Ms Paine would have been put on the record immediately as confirming that no curtain rods were missing. The world would have been told all about this crucial development in the Oswald-Did-It case.

Instead we get 2 curtain rods submitted for testing for Mr Oswald's prints on 3/15/64, and then two curtain rods extracted from the Paine garage on 3/23/64.

Go figure!

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Huh. Why would any curtain rods in the Paine garage been recorded at that point?  If they were noticed in the garage AFTER the assassination obviously they were in not in the bag taken by Oswald to the TSBD.  Months later in an exercise of due diligence once the curtain rod story was known the investigators took a closer look at them.  You are really grasping at fantasy straws.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #863 on: March 19, 2021, 01:27:50 AM »
The rods were tested for prints the day after they were released to Howlett?

No--------two rods were tested for prints the day after two rods were released to Agent Howlett.

Now, Mr O'Meara! You have claimed that the straightforward solution to this document-----------



------------is that the submission date is simply an error.

OK. What do you think the correct submission date might have been?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #864 on: March 19, 2021, 01:32:24 AM »
Huh. Why would any curtain rods in the Paine garage been recorded at that point?  If they were noticed in the garage AFTER the assassination obviously they were in not in the bag taken by Oswald to the TSBD.

And that fact would most certainly have been recorded, given how crucial it would have been to the case being mounted against Mr Oswald.

It's not however recorded, or the matter even brought up, in any of the official documents.

This form, which I'm reposting as I know how much seeing it upsets you, explains why--------------



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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #865 on: March 19, 2021, 04:01:19 AM »
No--------two rods were tested for prints the day after two rods were released to Agent Howlett.

Now, Mr O'Meara! You have claimed that the straightforward solution to this document-----------



------------is that the submission date is simply an error.

OK. What do you think the correct submission date might have been?

The rods were picked up on the 23rd
Given to Day on the 24th
Tested on the 25th
Released on the 26th

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #866 on: March 19, 2021, 04:14:23 AM »
On November 22 and 23, 1963, the Paine garage was, as one would expect, very thoroughly searched.............



As one would most certainly NOT expect, given the centrality of curtain rods to the Oswald case, not a single report anywhere mentions anything about curtain rods in that garage. The idea that no one thought of checking to see whether curtain rods were there is obviously quite ludicrous.

If Mr Oswald had brought no curtain rods to the Depository the morning of the assassination, the following would have happened:

ALL curtain rods in the garage before the assassination would have still been in the garage and would have been immediately found and recorded as having been found in the garage. Ms Paine would have been put on the record immediately as confirming that no curtain rods were missing. The world would have been told all about this crucial development in the Oswald-Did-It case.

Yet somehow none of this happened. Instead we get complete radio silence about curtain rods in the garage until March '64, when two curtain rods are extracted from the Paine garage----------EIGHT DAYS AFTER two curtain rods were submitted to the Crime Scene Search Section for testing for Mr Oswald's prints.

Go figure!

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The centrality of curtain rods to the Oswald case?

I doubt there was one law enforcement official involved in the investigation who thought for a nanosecond Oswald brought curtain rods with him.
As far as they were concerned they had the murder weapon tied to an ID Oswald was carrying.
Oswald himself denied carrying the curtain rods.
And if that wasn't enough, word had come down from on high that Oswald did it. End of story.

There was no "centrality of the curtain rods".
No-one gave a s"%t about curtain rods.
I doubt it crossed anyone's mind at any point.

It was only after the investigation, when difficult questions were being asked about how shoddy and incompetent the investigation was, that the rods became an issue.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #867 on: March 19, 2021, 10:39:50 AM »
The rods were picked up on the 23rd
Given to Day on the 24th
Tested on the 25th
Released on the 26th

So, your 'solution' is that
-------------on March 24 Lt Day, even as he made a precise time notation, thought the date was March 15
-------------on March 26 Lt Day, even as he made a precise time notation, thought the date was March 24
-------------on March 25, when Lt Day was testing the rods and making fingerprint cards, he laid off the marijuana and so put the correct date down
-------------on March 24 and March 26, Agent Howlett was as high as Lt Day and so happily signed off on the notion that March 24 was March 15, and March 26 was March 24
-------------Lt Day later noticed and corrected his release date error (though noting that he had gotten the time notation correct), but somehow failed to notice (on the same form!) the error with the submission date

The prime question arising from all this is: What have you been smoking, Mr O'Meara?
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