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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #868 on: March 19, 2021, 10:49:11 AM »
The centrality of curtain rods to the Oswald case?

I doubt there was one law enforcement official involved in the investigation who thought for a nanosecond Oswald brought curtain rods with him.

Good grief, talk about missing the point!

The Oswald-Did-It 'investigators' had a very simple way of proving to the world that Mr Oswald had lied to Mr Frazier: ask Ms Paine about curtain rods........ take a look in her garage............ write up the damning result in an official report

None of this happened

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #869 on: March 19, 2021, 11:47:01 AM »
So, your 'solution' is that
-------------on March 24 Lt Day, even as he made a precise time notation, thought the date was March 15
-------------on March 26 Lt Day, even as he made a precise time notation, thought the date was March 24
-------------on March 25, when Lt Day was testing the rods and making fingerprint cards, he laid off the marijuana and so put the correct date down
-------------on March 24 and March 26, Agent Howlett was as high as Lt Day and so happily signed off on the notion that March 24 was March 15, and March 26 was March 24
-------------Lt Day later noticed and corrected his release date error (though noting that he had gotten the time notation correct), but somehow failed to notice (on the same form!) the error with the submission date

The prime question arising from all this is: What have you been smoking, Mr O'Meara?

What have I been smoking?

Look at your little scenario again Alan.
You've got Day testing the rods for fingerprints the Day after he released them to Howlett.
Howlett has taken the rods away and then Day tests them.

Snap out of it man.

Your notion that an elaborate hoax involving the Secret Service, the senior counsel of the WC and Mrs Paine took place to show why the rods were marked 275 and 276  is "on the edge", to say the least.
You still haven't explained why they felt the need to justify doing this just because, as you would have it, some random person wrote
some random numbers on the curtain rods (this, of course, is not the case, the curtain rods were marked for identification at Ruth Paine's house)
Why did they have to have the Ruth Paine Exhibit numbers for the rods the same as the numbers scrawled on the "TSBD rods" (lol)?

The rods are collected on the 23rd from Ruth Paine's house and marked 275 and 276
The fingerprint card shows they were tested on the 25th (you don't find it strange at all that in your scenario Day waits for 10 days before testing the rods. Are you saying that one minute the rods are important the next minute their not.?
The bottom copy of the document, the part in the official record, records a release date of 26th.

Ignore submission date:

Rods taken into evidence - 23rd
Tested for prints - 25th
Released- 26th


Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #870 on: March 19, 2021, 12:00:39 PM »
Good grief, talk about missing the point!

The Oswald-Did-It 'investigators' had a very simple way of proving to the world that Mr Oswald had lied to Mr Frazier: ask Ms Paine about curtain rods........ take a look in her garage............ write up the damning result in an official report

None of this happened

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Come on Alan.

Oswald denied taking the rods.
You think it was high on the investigator's priority list to show Oswald lied to Frazier?
You think they didn't have enough on Oswald already?
It's safe to say it didn't cross anybody's mind that ​the curtain rod story was true.
You think the investigator's wasted one second trying to prove an alibi for Oswald that he denied himself?
All energy was focussed on building a case against Oswald.


Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #871 on: March 19, 2021, 02:10:45 PM »
What have I been smoking?

Look at your little scenario again Alan.
You've got Day testing the rods for fingerprints the Day after he released them to Howlett.
Howlett has taken the rods away and then Day tests them.

Snap out of it man.

Your notion that an elaborate hoax involving the Secret Service, the senior counsel of the WC and Mrs Paine took place to show why the rods were marked 275 and 276  is "on the edge", to say the least.
You still haven't explained why they felt the need to justify doing this just because, as you would have it, some random person wrote
some random numbers on the curtain rods (this, of course, is not the case, the curtain rods were marked for identification at Ruth Paine's house)
Why did they have to have the Ruth Paine Exhibit numbers for the rods the same as the numbers scrawled on the "TSBD rods" (lol)?

The rods are collected on the 23rd from Ruth Paine's house and marked 275 and 276
The fingerprint card shows they were tested on the 25th (you don't find it strange at all that in your scenario Day waits for 10 days before testing the rods. Are you saying that one minute the rods are important the next minute their not.?
The bottom copy of the document, the part in the official record, records a release date of 26th.

Ignore submission date:

Rods taken into evidence - 23rd
Tested for prints - 25th
Released- 26th

Ignore submission date:

Rods taken into evidence - 23rd
Tested for prints - 25th
Released- 26th


Let's assume for a second this is true. How do you explain that Howlett and Day both signed for the release on the 24th?

And why didn't Howlett sign for the release on the 26th?

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #872 on: March 19, 2021, 02:12:19 PM »
Come on Alan.

Oswald denied taking the rods.
You think it was high on the investigator's priority list to show Oswald lied to Frazier?
You think they didn't have enough on Oswald already?
It's safe to say it didn't cross anybody's mind that ​the curtain rod story was true.
You think the investigator's wasted one second trying to prove an alibi for Oswald that he denied himself?
All energy was focussed on building a case against Oswald.

All energy was focussed on building a case against Oswald.

Indeed. And in the process anything exculpatory was ignored or dismissed.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #873 on: March 19, 2021, 02:54:58 PM »
What have I been smoking?

Look at your little scenario again Alan.
You've got Day testing the rods for fingerprints the Day after he released them to Howlett.
Howlett has taken the rods away and then Day tests them.

Snap out of it man.

Your notion that an elaborate hoax involving the Secret Service, the senior counsel of the WC and Mrs Paine took place to show why the rods were marked 275 and 276  is "on the edge", to say the least.
You still haven't explained why they felt the need to justify doing this just because, as you would have it, some random person wrote
some random numbers on the curtain rods (this, of course, is not the case, the curtain rods were marked for identification at Ruth Paine's house)
Why did they have to have the Ruth Paine Exhibit numbers for the rods the same as the numbers scrawled on the "TSBD rods" (lol)?

Lol, already explained, Mr O'Meara. The fact that you ignore my explanation merely tells us you can't come up with a rebuttal

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The rods are collected on the 23rd from Ruth Paine's house and marked 275 and 276
The fingerprint card shows they were tested on the 25th (you don't find it strange at all that in your scenario Day waits for 10 days before testing the rods. Are you saying that one minute the rods are important the next minute their not.?
The bottom copy of the document, the part in the official record, records a release date of 26th.

Ignore submission date:

Rods taken into evidence - 23rd
Tested for prints - 25th
Released- 26th

So, once again your mad solution to the problem posed by the submission date and the release date is:
---------------Ignore submission date
---------------Ignore release date

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #874 on: March 19, 2021, 02:57:04 PM »
Come on Alan.

Oswald denied taking the rods.

We don't know that for sure. Remember-------we're dealing with the same professional liars here who buried Mr Oswald's claim to have gone "outside to watch P. Parade". You know, the guys whose devoted fanboy you are

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You think it was high on the investigator's priority list to show Oswald lied to Frazier?
You think they didn't have enough on Oswald already?
It's safe to say it didn't cross anybody's mind that ​the curtain rod story was true.
You think the investigator's wasted one second trying to prove an alibi for Oswald that he denied himself?

What a silly question!

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All energy was focussed on building a case against Oswald.

Exactly-----------and so too is all your energy
« Last Edit: March 19, 2021, 06:37:17 PM by Alan Ford »