The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #63 on: December 07, 2020, 04:01:12 PM »
Walt, It was Arnold Rowland was it not?, witnessing a man in the SW 6th floor window of TSBD with a rifle that Rowland thought resembled a 30.06 hunting rifle with a a large scope

Yes, Zeon, you're right in saying that Rowland saw a man with a high powered hunting rifle behind a window at the WEST end of the sixth floor.   BUT.... If you read Howard Brennan's affidavit which he gave at about 1:30 that afternoon you should be able to discern that Brennan was describing the location where he saw the man "AIMING" a rifle out of a sixth floor window.  Brennan said the man was STANDING and aiming a HIGH POWERED  ( ie; a HUNTING rifle, not a military rifle)  out of the window.  There is no way in hell that a man could have stood behind the so called "Sniper's Nest" window and fired down onto Elm street, ( The lower sash of the window would have prevented that act)   However a man could easily have STOOD behind the WEST end window and aimed a rifle down toward the triple underpass. 

Brennan and Rowland saw the same man, at different times, at the WEST end of the sixth floor...... And BOTH B &R said the man had a HUNTING rifle....  ( Brennan called it a "high powered rifle".

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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #64 on: December 11, 2020, 04:05:50 AM »
Walt, there

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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #65 on: December 11, 2020, 04:19:50 AM »
Lol, phone keyboard snafu... continuing.. Walt, it’s difficult to reconcile that Rowland can see a scope on a rifle from 100 yes distant, yet Euins, Brennan, Bob Jackson and Malcolm Couch observing a rifle on the SE window do NOT see any scope on the rifle being stuck out the SE window far enough that it was so easily seen and the slowly withdrawn per these witnesses.

This is why imo, there may be 2 gunman on the 6th floor with different rifles



 

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #66 on: December 12, 2020, 01:19:25 AM »
My most recent essay is now posted in the ESSAYS section at my website jfkinsidejob.com and you can reach it via http://www.jfkinsidejob.com/book-depository-as-a-potemkin-village

A careful study should make it clear that Roy Truly, Jack Dougherty, Bill Shelley, Billy Lovelady, Wesley Frazier and Lee Harvey Oswald were complicit in the assassination. They aided and abetted the Depository hit team and subsequently framed Oswald for the murder.

Without a confession from Wesley Frazier, this recent work may well be the most succinct picture that emerges of what really went on inside that building on November 22nd.

I hope that you find time soon to enjoy this effort.

It's certainly quite an effort, Mr Gilbride. Why, even your photo id of Mr Dougherty is garbage!  :D

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2020, 01:41:02 AM »
Lol, phone keyboard snafu... continuing.. Walt, it’s difficult to reconcile that Rowland can see a scope on a rifle from 100 yes distant, yet Euins, Brennan, Bob Jackson and Malcolm Couch observing a rifle on the SE window do NOT see any scope on the rifle being stuck out the SE window far enough that it was so easily seen and the slowly withdrawn per these witnesses.

This is why imo, there may be 2 gunman on the 6th floor with different rifles

"it’s difficult to reconcile that Rowland can see a scope on a rifle from 100 yes yards distant,"

(A) The distance was about 150 feet.....

(B) It's not at all difficult to see a scope on a rifle at 100 yards....

Euins, Brennan, Bob Jackson and Malcolm Couch observing a rifle on the SE window do NOT see any scope on the rifle being stuck out the SE window far enough that it was so easily seen and the slowly withdrawn per these witnesses.


The witnesses did not say that there was not a scope on the rifle .... They simply didn't remember seeing a scope.... And furthermore ,   If they were sure that the rifle did NOT have a scope ...Then the rifle they saw was NOT the Carcano  Because the carcano definitely has a scope mounted on it.

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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2020, 03:27:47 AM »
If Dougherty is one of 2 gunman on the 6th floor TSBD, then it is much easier to work out the escape of the other gunman and how his rifle is never found, and only the MC rifle found in the boxes.

A car parked near the west side of TSBD by the west side of the roofed part of loading dock (annex bldg) could be aligned very close underneath the NW side window of TSBD, (closest to the rear staircase) This would facilitate rapid removal of a rifle by simply dropping it out that west window by a SW window shooter running to that window in approx 10 sec after shooting his 1 and only shot at Z313.

Dougherty could be the other shooter, firing the MC rifle (from the SE window) to hit JFK and Connally with a single shot atZ223 then aprrox 4 sec later trying for the head shot , missing slightly high, and that round hits the curb near Tague by the Triple Underpass.

0.8 secs later, the Z313 shot is fired by the SW window gunman with the 30.06 hunting rifle with large scope that Arnold Rowland had observed briefly in the hands of the gunman approx at 12:15 pm.

The SW gunman can enter the west elevator by 15 sec post shots (after tossing his rifle out the west side window at 10 sec post shot).

Dougherty could have moved the West elevator from the 5th floor to 6th floor after Bonnie Ray Williams exited it approx 12:25pm in preparation for the SW gunmans escape.

SW gunman descends to 1st floor at 5sec/floor speed of elevator, and exits west elevator by 45 sec post shots

He is not of LOS of Baker/Truly as they are still in the front entrance lobby just about to open 2nd set of glass doors

There is some question if the west elevator descending would have  been seen by Adams and Styles who are on the rear staircase at this time

Exiting at 45 sec from
West elevator on the 1st floor, the SW gunman would not be in LOS of Adams and Styles on the staircase, since they have not yet reached the floor landing.

Exiting from the rear door nearest west elevator, places the gunman inside the roofed part of the loading dock annex bldg, from whence he then has choice to go out the east facing nearest door or turn westward and travel approx 80 ft to a west side door exit ( near where the car was parked to pick up and drive away with, the rifle tossed from the 6th floor west side window at 10 sec post shots

It is questionable if the west elevator could be returned to the 5th floor by 70 sec post shots by Dougherty by remote control, such as would be necessary if Truly is observing it looking up the shaft at approx 75 sev post shots

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2020, 02:39:27 PM »
If Dougherty is one of 2 gunman on the 6th floor TSBD, then it is much easier to work out the escape of the other gunman and how his rifle is never found, and only the MC rifle found in the boxes.

A car parked near the west side of TSBD by the west side of the roofed part of loading dock (annex bldg) could be aligned very close underneath the NW side window of TSBD, (closest to the rear staircase) This would facilitate rapid removal of a rifle by simply dropping it out that west window by a SW window shooter running to that window in approx 10 sec after shooting his 1 and only shot at Z313.

Dougherty could be the other shooter, firing the MC rifle (from the SE window) to hit JFK and Connally with a single shot atZ223 then aprrox 4 sec later trying for the head shot , missing slightly high, and that round hits the curb near Tague by the Triple Underpass.

0.8 secs later, the Z313 shot is fired by the SW window gunman with the 30.06 hunting rifle with large scope that Arnold Rowland had observed briefly in the hands of the gunman approx at 12:15 pm.

The SW gunman can enter the west elevator by 15 sec post shots (after tossing his rifle out the west side window at 10 sec post shot).

Dougherty could have moved the West elevator from the 5th floor to 6th floor after Bonnie Ray Williams exited it approx 12:25pm in preparation for the SW gunmans escape.

SW gunman descends to 1st floor at 5sec/floor speed of elevator, and exits west elevator by 45 sec post shots

He is not of LOS of Baker/Truly as they are still in the front entrance lobby just about to open 2nd set of glass doors

There is some question if the west elevator descending would have  been seen by Adams and Styles who are on the rear staircase at this time

Exiting at 45 sec from
West elevator on the 1st floor, the SW gunman would not be in LOS of Adams and Styles on the staircase, since they have not yet reached the floor landing.

Exiting from the rear door nearest west elevator, places the gunman inside the roofed part of the loading dock annex bldg, from whence he then has choice to go out the east facing nearest door or turn westward and travel approx 80 ft to a west side door exit ( near where the car was parked to pick up and drive away with, the rifle tossed from the 6th floor west side window at 10 sec post shots

It is questionable if the west elevator could be returned to the 5th floor by 70 sec post shots by Dougherty by remote control, such as would be necessary if Truly is observing it looking up the shaft at approx 75 sev post shots

Dougherty could be the other shooter, firing the MC rifle

The bore of the mannlicher carcano was dirty and corroded ( rusty) when the FBI received it in Washington DC, less than 20 hours after the murder of John Kennedy.    If the MC had been fired on Friday the bore would not have had rust in it....