The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village

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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2020, 08:00:47 PM »
Noted that MC rifle had corrosion inside barrel , Thus not likely fired although it’s possible it could have been displayed at the SE window.

However that idea is refuted by Amos Euins WC testimony

Amos Euins apparently saw one shot fired by a rifle held in the hands of a male human being at the SE window of TSBD

Also refuted by Harold Norman WC testimony as well as his video interviews

Harold Norman on the 5th floor directly below the SN 6th floor window heard 3 shots in a span of approx 4 secs judging from his several video replications. He suggests hearing the shells hitting the floor also ( WC statements)

Alternatives:

A. just one shooter with a semi auto rifle with large scope, whom was briefly seen at 12:15 at the SW window by Rowland, then this gunman switched to the SE window after Bonnie Ray Williams left the 6th floor approx by 12:24.

And for some reason the other witness except for Rowland were unable  to see a scope on that same rifle as it was displayed at the SE window.

B. 2 shooters, no.1 at the SW window using a large scope 30.06 type hunting rifle and no.2 shooter using a rifle without a scope at the SE window

Since Euins claims seeing one shot fired from the SE window rifle, then the MC is a pre planted rifle not fired nor displayed. Purpose not exactly known, although speculation has been offered that It was a means to implicate Oswald, yet simultaneously give Oswald some reasonable chance of not being exonerated, thus enabling a CIA mission for Oswald to “defect” once again, this time to Cuba.


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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2020, 02:37:46 AM »
Noted that MC rifle had corrosion inside barrel , Thus not likely fired although it’s possible it could have been displayed at the SE window.

However that idea is refuted by Amos Euins WC testimony

Amos Euins apparently saw one shot fired by a rifle held in the hands of a male human being at the SE window of TSBD

Also refuted by Harold Norman WC testimony as well as his video interviews

Harold Norman on the 5th floor directly below the SN 6th floor window heard 3 shots in a span of approx 4 secs judging from his several video replications. He suggests hearing the shells hitting the floor also ( WC statements)

Alternatives:

A. just one shooter with a semi auto rifle with large scope, whom was briefly seen at 12:15 at the SW window by Rowland, then this gunman switched to the SE window after Bonnie Ray Williams left the 6th floor approx by 12:24.

And for some reason the other witness except for Rowland were unable  to see a scope on that same rifle as it was displayed at the SE window.

B. 2 shooters, no.1 at the SW window using a large scope 30.06 type hunting rifle and no.2 shooter using a rifle without a scope at the SE window

Since Euins claims seeing one shot fired from the SE window rifle, then the MC is a pre planted rifle not fired nor displayed. Purpose not exactly known, although speculation has been offered that It was a means to implicate Oswald, yet simultaneously give Oswald some reasonable chance of not being exonerated, thus enabling a CIA mission for Oswald to “defect” once again, this time to Cuba.

the MC is a pre planted rifle not fired nor displayed. Purpose not exactly known, although speculation has been offered that It was a means to implicate Oswald,

Speculation.... Lee Oswald thought he was playing the same role he had played at General Walker's house on the night of April 10, 1963. He had fired a bullet through Walker's window which was intended to make it appear that Lee had tried to kill Walker who was a bitter foe of Fidel Castro ..... Thus Lee thought that Castro would welcome Lee in Cuba because Lee was a fugitive who was wanted for attempted murder in the U.S.   That scheme failed to blossom because Marina did not call the police when she found the alarming note that lee had left for her to find.....and the police ( who smelled a publicity stunt )  didn't use police dogs and find the carcano which Lee left hidden beneath a pile of brush near Walker's house.

Lee thought he was playing the same basic scheme when the carcano was hidden on the sixth floor ......


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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #72 on: December 16, 2020, 03:25:30 AM »
If the conspirators went to all this trouble to partially frame Oswald, with intent that he would be arrested and possibly have a jury trial, be exonerated or found guilty, Oswald would escape from prison , flee to Cuba where Castro would be convinced Oswald is a true Communist ?

It’s doubtful imo, that Castro would that gullible to accept a fleeing murderer convicted of assassination of a US president

Therefore the other alternative of exoneration by jury after a lengthy public trial and an exhibition of a “mountain of evidence” , then Oswald announcing he is “defecting” to Cuba, Would be a more probable outcome of Castro accepting Oswald into Cuba as a legitimate defector and less suspicion of Oswald as a CIA spy



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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #73 on: December 17, 2020, 10:26:57 AM »
the MC is a pre planted rifle not fired nor displayed. Purpose not exactly known, although speculation has been offered that It was a means to implicate Oswald,

Speculation.... Lee Oswald thought he was playing the same role he had played at General Walker's house on the night of April 10, 1963. He had fired a bullet through Walker's window which was intended to make it appear that Lee had tried to kill Walker who was a bitter foe of Fidel Castro ..... Thus Lee thought that Castro would welcome Lee in Cuba because Lee was a fugitive who was wanted for attempted murder in the U.S.   That scheme failed to blossom because Marina did not call the police when she found the alarming note that lee had left for her to find.....and the police ( who smelled a publicity stunt )  didn't use police dogs and find the carcano which Lee left hidden beneath a pile of brush near Walker's house.

Lee thought he was playing the same basic scheme when the carcano was hidden on the sixth floor ......

Can't wait for your press conference and the ensuing laughter.

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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #74 on: December 17, 2020, 05:26:40 PM »
If the conspirators went to all this trouble to partially frame Oswald, with intent that he would be arrested and possibly have a jury trial, be exonerated or found guilty, Oswald would escape from prison , flee to Cuba where Castro would be convinced Oswald is a true Communist ?

It’s doubtful imo, that Castro would that gullible to accept a fleeing murderer convicted of assassination of a US president

Therefore the other alternative of exoneration by jury after a lengthy public trial and an exhibition of a “mountain of evidence” , then Oswald announcing he is “defecting” to Cuba, Would be a more probable outcome of Castro accepting Oswald into Cuba as a legitimate defector and less suspicion of Oswald as a CIA spy


It’s doubtful imo, that Castro would that gullible to accept a fleeing murderer convicted of assassination of a US president

I believe that's sound reasoning....   But the scheme was originally created for the "attempt" to shoot General Walker.

There's a big difference between an attempt to shoot a person, and the act of murder.   Lee Never intended to shoot Walker ....That should be obvious by the fact that he fired only one shot....when he would have ample opportunity to fire a few more shots to ensure that he had hit his victim.  Walker himself said that he simply sat there for a while before he got up from his desk and went and looked out of the window.

Lee was totally unaware that he was being set up..... He thought it would appear as though he had taken a shot at JFK ( just as many suckers believe that he actually shot AT general Walker.   

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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2020, 04:51:34 AM »


If General Walker is in on the scheme, it’s doubtful imo that Walker would have given testimony that
 The projectile remnant (supposedly fired at him from an MC rifle), in his opinion ,  did NOT resemble an MC bullet.

 I suspect more a collaboration among the various CIA “assets” of which George DeM was one, and Ruth and Michele Paine possibly 2 more, all tasked with 1st mission of interception of the incoming returning “defector” Oswald and the newly wed mystery Russian aka “Soviet spy?” Marina.

This could be a very tangled web of spy vs spy considering Norman Mailers research indicating Marina may have been a KGB “asset” with mission to intercept all incoming so called American defectors of which Oswald was but 1 of approx 8 others.

This gives some credence to the theory Oswald was in fact part of a CIA defector scam to attempt to infiltrate USSR and that on  his return to USA, Oswald was soon met by a millionaire  George DeMohrenschildt , which surely more than just coincidence .

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Re: The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village
« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2020, 03:58:24 PM »

If General Walker is in on the scheme, it’s doubtful imo that Walker would have given testimony that
 The projectile remnant (supposedly fired at him from an MC rifle), in his opinion ,  did NOT resemble an MC bullet.

 I suspect more a collaboration among the various CIA “assets” of which George DeM was one, and Ruth and Michele Paine possibly 2 more, all tasked with 1st mission of interception of the incoming returning “defector” Oswald and the newly wed mystery Russian aka “Soviet spy?” Marina.

This could be a very tangled web of spy vs spy considering Norman Mailers research indicating Marina may have been a KGB “asset” with mission to intercept all incoming so called American defectors of which Oswald was but 1 of approx 8 others.

This gives some credence to the theory Oswald was in fact part of a CIA defector scam to attempt to infiltrate USSR and that on  his return to USA, Oswald was soon met by a millionaire  George DeMohrenschildt , which surely more than just coincidence .

If General Walker is in on the scheme, it’s doubtful imo that Walker would have given testimony that
 The projectile remnant (supposedly fired at him from an MC rifle), in his opinion ,  did NOT resemble an MC bullet.

I have no idea WHY  Walker said the bullet that was displayed to him did not look like the bullet that he CLAIMED to have seen at his house on the night of April 10, 1963.     Personally.... I doubt that Walker saw the bullet that the police found on that night....

Perhaps some folks believe Walker.... but anybody with any knowledge of liars should be able to discern that Walker's testimony is a mish mash of lies stacked on lies.