The First Shot

[Tom Graves]

Wipe that egg off your weenie and pull your pants back up, you're starting to embarrass yourself worse than usual.

What she got RIGHT, at least insofar as her location goes, was in 1993 and 2015. What she got absurdly, completely WRONG was MINUTES AFTER THE JFKA. If her statements in 1993 strike you as problematical, then you must think her 1963 article was correct. Hello? Or is it "Mary was soooooooo traumatized, dude, that she forgot where the hell she was and made numerous other misstatements based on being at that location, but by God she was rock-solid on her description of the shots" - hello, really, ya think?

What a bizarro. Let it go.

Dear MGFPR,

Why are you so riled up?

-- Tom

[Lance Payette]

Since TG's OCD requires us to live with two Mary Woodward threads, I guess I will have to post my insightful contributions on both, to wit:

We have failed to mention wacky Mary's FBI interview of 12/7/63. It's clear she crossed from Houston to Elm. Nothing about the grassy knoll. It conveniently omits the timing of the second and third shots. Now she first thought the shots had come from "above and possibly behind" her. Then she thought they might have come from the overpass. All she can really say is that the shots came from above her head. She had seen five or six people on the overpass, and this may be why her "first reaction" (what?) was to look there. However, she never saw anything in the hands of those people.

She's worthless.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0269b.htm

[Tom Graves]

Since TG's OCD requires us to live with two Mary Woodward threads, I guess I will have to post my insightful contributions on both, to wit:

We have failed to mention wacky Mary's FBI interview of 12/7/63. It's clear she crossed from Houston to Elm. Nothing about the grassy knoll. It conveniently omits the timing of the second and third shots. Now she first thought the shots had come from "above and possibly behind" her. Then she thought they might have come from the overpass. All she can really say is that the shots came from above her head. She had seen five or six people on the overpass, and this may be why her "first reaction" (what?) was to look there. However, she never saw anything in the hands of those people.

She's worthless.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0269b.htm

Dear MGFPR,

Your "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" vis-a-vis Woodward's 11/23/63 DMN article reeks, as usual, of gaslighting desperation.

-- Tom

[Andrew Mason]

Since TG's OCD requires us to live with two Mary Woodward threads, I guess I will have to post my insightful contributions on both, to wit:

We have failed to mention wacky Mary's FBI interview of 12/7/63. It's clear she crossed from Houston to Elm. Nothing about the grassy knoll. It conveniently omits the timing of the second and third shots.

She doesn't omit the timing of the second and third shots.  She says: "There seemed to be a pause of a few seconds, and then there were two more loud noises which she suddenly realized were shots..."

By mentioning a pause after the first of a few seconds and then two shots but not mentioning a similar pause between them, she provided a description that is consistent with her DMN story although with less specific detail.  Also, those words were written by the FBI. The DMN story and her 1988 THWKK clip were all her words.

[Dan O'meara]

I wonder if Andrew Mason will continue citing Mary Woodward to prop up his claim that JFK was hit by the first shot since she clearly says in this interview that the first shot didn't hit anybody. Go to the 11:10 mark to hear her describe the shooting.

Woodward's description of what happened actually confirms JFK was hit by the first shot. Just because she wasn't aware he was hit doesn't mean he wasn't hit.
She describes 3 clearly audible shots with a noticeable pause between the first and second shot. Most notably she describes how close the second two shots were together, the third being fired before the reverberation of the second shot had faded.
Shot - pause - two shots really close together. A pattern described by many witnesses.
She is also clear that the headshot was one of the two shots close together.

So, let's use our brains.
We've all see the Z-film.
Now, think about the pause between the first and second shot (there is no pause between the second and third).

Where does this pause between the shots happen in the Z-film?

There is only one possible answer - it is the pause between JFK reacting to being shot around z225 and the headshot at z313.
It is a pause of around 5 seconds.
Woodward cannot be describing JFK's reaction to being shot around z225 and the headshot as the second and third shot because there is no pause between the second and third shot!!
She must be describing the first shot passing through JFK at z222/z223, a 5 second pause, and then the two shots extremely close together, one of which was the headshot.
Over 40 witnesses describe JFK reacting to the first shot as we see in the Z-film but hardly any of them actually realised he'd been shot. Many thought he was horsing around.
Woodward was just another witness who didn't realise he'd been hit with the first shot but her detailed observations confirm this was the case.

[Lance Payette]

She doesn't omit the timing of the second and third shots.  She says: "There seemed to be a pause of a few seconds, and then there were two more loud noises which she suddenly realized were shots..."

By mentioning a pause after the first of a few seconds and then two shots but not mentioning a similar pause between them, she provided a description that is consistent with her DMN story although with less specific detail.  Also, those words were written by the FBI. The DMN story and her 1988 THWKK clip were all her words.

Because she was always - and adamantly - consistent that the second and third shots were right on top of each other, my conspiratorial suggestion was that she had probably said the same thing to the FBI and that it was the FBI that had "conveniently" omitted it.

[John Corbett]

The forensic evidence always trumps the eyewitness accounts. The forensic evidence tells us CE399 wounded both JFK and JBC. The fragmented bullet found in the limo was from the headshot. Those bullets were fired almost 5 seconds apart. There is no definitive reason so many people got the impression those two shots came close together. I believe the most likely reason is the headshot created multiple sounds that sounded like they were right on top of each other. That could be the crack of a supersonic bullet. I have experienced that phenomenon for myself. I have a neighbor who fires a muzzleloader which isn't capable of firing two rapid shot and sometimes I hear a double sound from his shots. It could have been the sound of the bullet hitting JFK's head or the fragments from the bullet striking inside the limo. We know fragments hit the windshield and the frame. An echo? Maybe. There is no forensic evidence for shots from any weapon other than Oswald's Carcano. No wounds to either victim that did not come from behind them. We will never have a definitive answer as to why a multiple witnesses thought the last two shots were almost on top of each other. We just know they did get that impression.