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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1464 on: December 06, 2025, 09:15:25 PM »
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Rosemary Willis started to look away from the Presidential limo back towards the Texas School Book Depository at Z-140.

JFK began quickly turning his head to his left at Z-143.

Nellie began a quick sweeping head turn to her right at Z-144.

If you can't see this, perhaps you should get a new pair of glasses.

The operative word is "recalled."

They "recalled" this several hours, days, weeks, months, or years after the startling and traumatic event.

Regardless, in Z-133 we can see that JFK's right hand is near his head because he's just finished waving to someone (Woodward?), which wave he began before Oswald's first, missing-everything shot half-a-second earlier at "Z-124."

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z133.jpg

Anyone with normal vision (evidently not you) can see that he lowers his hand over the next couple of frames.


   The Willis Girl is looking to her (R). Stop attaching the TSBD to her. 

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1465 on: December 06, 2025, 09:26:33 PM »
The Willis girl is looking to her right.

Correct.

She's not looking at JFK and Jackie, she looking in the direction of Clint Hill (behind whom is the TSBD).

Thanks for corroborating that.
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1466 on: December 06, 2025, 10:56:18 PM »
Correct.

She's not looking at JFK and Jackie, she looking in the direction of Clint Hill (behind whom is the TSBD).

Thanks for corroborating that.

  Yes, "to the (R)". You continue attaching the TSBD to this. Stop trying to pass your opinion off as being a fact.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1467 on: December 06, 2025, 11:20:39 PM »
You continue attaching the TSBD to this. Stop trying to pass your opinion off as being a fact.

Comrade Storing,

My bad.

Rosemary Willis from about Z-145 on was looking, not at JFK and Jackie, but in the direction of Secret Service Agent Clint Hill, behind whom, of course, was the TSBD.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1468 on: December 07, 2025, 02:51:54 PM »
Comrade Storing,

My bad.

Rosemary Willis from about Z-145 on was looking, not at JFK and Jackie, but in the direction of Secret Service Agent Clint Hill, behind whom, of course, was the TSBD.

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    How about the Dal-Tex Bld? Was the Willis girl looking at that too?
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« Reply #1469 on: Yesterday at 12:50:42 AM »
How about the Dal-Tex Bld? Was the Willis girl looking at that too?

"The Willis girl"?

You mean Rosemary Willis?

Sure, Rosemary Willis probably looked at the Dal-Tex Building, too.

Why not?

Afterall, she, like many people who heard Oswald's first, missing-everything, somewhat muffled shot at "Z-124," thought it had come from the general TSBD-DalTex direction.

The important thing is that she had stopped looking at JFK and Jackie and started looking in that direction by Z-140, about a second after said missing-everything shot.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1470 on: Yesterday at 04:29:11 PM »
Rosemary Willis started to look away from the Presidential limo back towards the Texas School Book Depository at Z-140.
You are imagining something that is not apparent in the zfilm.  She comes out of the shadow and her head does not turn. Here is z138 to z152 in slow motion:



At z145-152 her hood is pointing directly sideways so she is facing the President's car:


Rosemary Willis is marked no. 50 in the Tyler animation.  If she was looking at Clint Hill, her head would be turned more than 90 degrees to Zapruder's line of sight and her hood opening would not be visible.  But we can see her hood opening so her hood is facing the President's car. We can't see her face.

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JFK began quickly turning his head to his left at Z-143.
Here is z140-151 in slow motion:


He does not move his head any perceptible amount. You are imagining this.

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Nellie began a quick sweeping head turn to her right at Z-144.
She turns from looking forward, perhaps a little left, to looking forward, a little to the right.  Not really quick or sweeping.

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Regarding the former, JFK's last (as in final) wave began around Z-173, right before he passed behind the Stemmons Freeway sign and was hit in the lower neck/upper back by Oswald's second shot at Z-222.

Regarding the later, Chism and Woodward "recalled" this several hours, days, weeks, months, or years after the startling and traumatic event.
Chism gave his statement on 22Nov63 within hours of the assassination.

Woodward went from Dealey Plaza to her office and immediately wrote the story that appeared in the Dallas Morning News the next day. She said:
  • "The President was looking straight ahead and we were afraid we were afraid we would not get to see his face. But we started clapping and cheering and both he and Mrs. Kennedy turned, and smiled and waved, directly at us, it seemed. Jackie was wearing a beautiful pink suit with beret to match. Two of us, who had seen the President last during the final weeks of the 1960 campaign remarked how relaxed and robust he looked.

    As it turned out, we were almost certainly the last faces he noticed in the crowd."

    After acknowledging our cheers, he faced forward again and suddenly there was a horrible, ear-shattering noise coming from behind us and a little to the right."

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Anyone with normal vision (evidently not you) can see that he lowers his hand over the next couple of frames until it's all the way back down at Z-150.
He moves his hand from vertical to horizontal.  He does not move his head a perceptible amount. You are imagining this.
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1471 on: Yesterday at 09:35:43 PM »
Mary Woodward went from Dealey Plaza to her office and immediately wrote the story that appeared in the Dallas Morning News the next day.
 
She said, "The President was looking straight ahead and we were afraid we were afraid we would not get to see his face. But we started clapping and cheering and both he and Mrs. Kennedy turned, and smiled and waved, directly at us, it seemed. Jackie was wearing a beautiful pink suit with beret to match. Two of us, who had seen the President last during the final weeks of the 1960 campaign remarked how relaxed and robust he looked. As it turned out, we were almost certainly the last faces he noticed in the crowd. After acknowledging our cheers, he faced forward again and suddenly there was a horrible, ear-shattering noise coming from behind us and a little to the right."

Woodward was referring to Oswald's second shot at Z-222, the one where CE-399 wounded both JFK and JBC. You can see JFK starting to lift his arm to wave to Woodward and her journalism colleagues in Z-173 (in which Woodward is standing between journalist Aurelia Alonzo to her left and Ann Donaldson to her right in the blurry edge of the frame. Another colleague, Maggie Brown, is dressed in black and standing in the clear part of the frame to Donaldson's right.

Woodward told Stephen Fagin in a videotaped interview at the Sixth Floor Museum that she heard three shots altogether, and that the first one, which she thought had missed everything, sounded like a backfire.

It's obvious to me that the "shattering noise" she spoke about wasn't Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124," but his second shot at Z-222.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z173.jpg
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