The First Shot

[Royell Storing]

Why are you still posting this nonsense? It has been disproven so many ways, by so many different people.

   Give 'em time. He'll either alter the post or remove it. The past being prelude.

[Tom Graves]

Give 'em time. He'll either alter the post or remove it. The past being prelude.

Comrade Storing,

I confess to being a habitual editor of everything I write . . . everywhere . . . not just here at Duncan's magnificent JFK Assassination Debate forum.

That's probably because I'm simply not as intelligent as you are, as evidenced by your MANY MANY error-FREE poStiNgs heRe.

In fact, just a few minutes ago I edited (added to, actually) something I'd posted on Charles Collins' new thread about the cop I mean motorcycle officer Jim Chaney.

HAVE you reAd iT yeT?

-- Tom

[Andrew Mason]

Read my lips:

Except for those few (like Connally) who said they recognized the first sound as a rifle shot, it doesn't matter what John B. Connally or any other startled-and-traumatized (and wounded in his case!) "witnesses" said about the timing of the three shots that were fired in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza and/or what they said about their reactions to said shots.

Go with the photographic, ballistics, and medical evidence, instead.

You are not using photographic evidence. You are using your own head-turn interpretation theory. That is not science. And neither ballistics nor medical evidence establishes an early missed shot. What are you talking about?

[Tom Graves]

You are not using photographic evidence. You are using your own head-turn interpretation theory.

The nearly simultaneous and rapid head turns of at least seven prime witnesses, including five in the limo, were captured in the Zapruder film between frames Z-140 and Z-150 whether or not you're willing to admit it.

[Andrew Mason]

The nearly simultaneous and rapid head turns of at least seven prime witnesses, including five in the limo, were captured in the Zapruder film between frames Z-140 and Z-150 whether or not you're willing to admit it.

You are imagining head turns that don’t exist in the case of Rosemary Willis, JFK and Nellie.  But more to the point you are ignoring all the witnesses, particularly John Chism and Mary Woodward, who recalled that the last right head turn and wave of JFK was BEFORE the first shot.  Oh, but they were traumatized and in shock….before the first shot.

[Andrew Mason]

   Give 'em time. He'll either alter the post or remove it. The past being prelude.

Do you really think it has been proven here that there were only two shots?  That is what Jack is saying.

[Royell Storing]

Do you really think it has been proven here that there were only two shots?  That is what Jack is saying.

   Do you mean only "two shots" from the sniper's nest? I believe there were more than 3 total shots and more than 1 shooter. 

[Tom Graves]

You are imagining head turns that don’t exist in the case of Rosemary Willis, JFK and Nellie.

Rosemary Willis started to look away from the Presidential limo back towards the Texas School Book Depository at Z-140.

JFK began quickly turning his head to his left at Z-143.

Nellie began a quick sweeping head turn to her right at Z-144.

If you can't see this, perhaps you should get a new pair of glasses.

John Chism and Mary Woodward recalled that the last right head turn and wave of JFK was before the first shot.

The operative words are "last" and "recalled."

Regarding the former, JFK's last (as in final) wave began around Z-173, right before he passed behind the Stemmons Freeway sign and was hit in the lower neck/upper back by Oswald's second shot at Z-222.

Regarding the later, Chism and Woodward "recalled" this several hours, days, weeks, months, or years after the startling and traumatic event.

FWIW, in Z-133 we can see that JFK's right hand is near his head because he's just finished waving to someone (Woodward?), which wave he must have begun before Oswald's first, missing-everything shot half-a-second earlier at "Z-124."

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z133.jpg

Anyone with normal vision (evidently not you) can see that he lowers his hand over the next couple of frames until it's all the way back down at Z-150.