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Offline Andrew Mason

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1360 on: November 26, 2025, 03:18:25 PM »
In Z-145, her hood opening is indeed "facing" a large area (and it's even kinda "facing" the limo), she's tilting her head upwards a bit, and she's twisting her upper torso far to her to her right -- which she wouldn't be doing if she was looking at the limo.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z145.jpg

Why not?

Because the limo is farther down the street than she is, as evidenced by simply looking at their relative positions in Z-145 and by watching the Elsie Dorman film and realizing that she starts fading out of the frame to the left after the 19-second mark.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=491702108350376

So, if you think she is looking back at the TSBD at Z145, what do you think she is looking at at z207?
« Last Edit: November 26, 2025, 07:57:55 PM by Andrew Mason »

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Re: The First Shot
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1361 on: November 26, 2025, 07:21:54 PM »
So if you think she is looking back at the TSBD at Z145, what do you think she is looking at at z207?

It looks to me as though she's still looking back in the general direction of the Texas School Book Depository in slightly blurry Z-207. Why do you ask?

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1362 on: November 26, 2025, 08:12:29 PM »
It looks to me as though she's still looking back in the general direction of the Texas School Book Depository in slightly blurry Z-207. Why do you ask?
Here she is in z145 followed by z200, then z206 and z207.

Do you not see a significant difference between z145 or z200 and z206 or z207?  Here is a close-up between z202 and z206:


If you think her upper torso is twisted to the right in z145 you are not looking at what I am looking at for frame 145, which is this:

Her right arm is to the right and her left arm it across her midline but that is normal arm movement while running forward.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1363 on: November 26, 2025, 08:46:00 PM »
Here she is in z145 followed by z200, then z206 and z207.


Okay.

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Do you not see a significant difference between z145 or z200 and z206 or z207?  Here is a close-up between z202 and z206:


Well, she's looking in the direction of the TSBD in the first frame, then she turns her head and torso to her left in the second frame (but apparently not far enough to look at JFK or Jackie).

What's the point you're trying to make?

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If you think her upper torso is twisted to the right in z145 you are not looking at what I am looking at for frame 145, which is this:

Her right arm is to the right and her left arm it across her midline but that is normal arm movement while running forward.

When you're running hard, maybe.
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1364 on: November 26, 2025, 09:23:49 PM »
Okay.

Well, she's looking in the direction of the TSBD in the first frame, then she turns her head and torso to her left in the second frame (but apparently not far enough to look at JFK or Jackie), and then she turns her head and torso to her right again, back in the general direction of the TSBD.

What's the point you're trying to make?
???  Perhaps you mean the other left, also known as "right".  From z202 is the first frame which I will hold for 5 seconds followed by z203, z204, z205 each held for 60 ms. and finally z206 held for 2 sec.:


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When you're running hard, maybe.
She is running hard and her arms appear to be moving in the Dorman film:

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1365 on: November 26, 2025, 09:40:44 PM »
Perhaps you mean the other left, also known as "right". 

From z202 is the first frame which I will hold for 5 seconds followed by z203, z204, z205 each held for 60 ms. and finally z206 held for 2 sec.:




What do you mean by "the other left"?

Did I not express myself clearly?

Is English your second language?

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She is running hard and her arms appear to be moving in the Dorman film:


She's not running as though she was participating in a 100-yard dash, as I used to do. (Best time: 10.5 seconds, which isn't bad for a 6' 5" clodhopper like me.)

Even if she was, she wouldn't twist her upper torso left-right-left-right so much or swing her arms so wildly.
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1366 on: November 27, 2025, 02:39:05 AM »
What do you mean by "the other left"?
She turns her head to her right from z202 (same position as in z145) to z206. I can’t help you if you are having trouble seeing that.


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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1367 on: November 27, 2025, 02:41:51 AM »
She turns her head to her right from z202 (same position as in z145) to z206. I can’t help you if you are having trouble seeing that.

Stop being coy.

What "point" are you trying to make?

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1367 on: November 27, 2025, 02:41:51 AM »