Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?

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Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2020, 12:38:00 PM »
That's the rabid conspiracy theorist in you talking. It's certainly not the "reasonable person named John Iacoletti who has looked at all the evidence" speaking.

Oswald sent Klein's $21.45. And Klein's sent Oswald (Hidell) the C2766 rifle just a few days later. The paperwork, confirmed by Bill Waldman, proves those two facts. So, what are the odds that Oswald really received nothing at all from Klein's?


To say that Klein's never mounted scopes on its 40-inch rifles is practically the same as totally ignoring all of the many ads that Klein's Sporting Goods was placing in magazines in mid to late 1963. Was Klein's lying to its mail-order customers when it said that a customer could purchase a 40-inch carbine with scope ("as illustrated") -- i.e., the scope is attached to the gun itself?

And I always get a kick out of the conspiracy mongers who like to prop up Mitchell Westra's statement about Klein's never putting scopes on the 40-inch rifles. The CTers will always, invariably, leave out the part of Westra's statement where he says this: "Undoubtably Klein's mounted some..."

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With respect to the conspiracy theorists' persistent claim that Klein's Sporting Goods never mounted scopes on their 40-inch Italian Carcano rifles, THIS NOVEMBER 2013 ARTICLE goes a long way toward debunking such a notion, because in that article, the gunsmith who worked in the Klein's warehouse in 1963, William H. Sharp, said that he told his boss right after the assassination in 1963: “It’s my rifle, I put the scope on it”.

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2017/03/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1238.html

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/01/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-591.html

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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2020, 06:07:44 PM »
The WC certainly did not think that was interesting in any way.

Otherwise they would simply have done it.

Wouldn't they?
The WC was designed to provide an explanation of the assassination.
In pursuing this "explanation", many issues were avoided, information was excluded, obfuscation was part of the process, etc.

My condolences if you haven't figured that out.

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2020, 06:48:18 PM »
You probably shouldn't hand out condolences.

Why?

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2020, 08:30:05 PM »
The WC was designed to provide an explanation of the assassination.
In pursuing this "explanation", many issues were avoided, information was excluded, obfuscation was part of the process, etc.

My condolences if you haven't figured that out.

Feel free to nominate a pinch-hitter for Oswald. And those who knew, in advance, that an attempt on Kennedy would be made that day.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2020, 08:33:14 PM »
Feel free to nominate a pinch-hitter for Oswald. And those who knew, in advance, that an attempt on Kennedy would be made that day.

Feel free to actually contribute something relevant.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2020, 08:43:35 PM »
Oswald sent Klein's $21.45. And Klein's sent Oswald (Hidell) the C2766 rifle just a few days later. The paperwork, confirmed by Bill Waldman, proves those two facts.

Bull. The “paperwork” proves neither. You have zero (and I mean ZERO) evidence that such a package ever went though the US Mail, was ever delivered to PO Box 2915, or was ever picked up by Oswald or anybody else. You also have no evidence that Oswald snuck away from work in the middle of the day and walked half a mile each way to buy a money order with nobody noticing.

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To say that Klein's never mounted scopes on its 40-inch rifles is practically the same as totally ignoring all of the many ads that Klein's Sporting Goods was placing in magazines in mid to late 1963. Was Klein's lying to its mail-order customers when it said that a customer could purchase a 40-inch carbine with scope ("as illustrated") -- i.e., the scope is attached to the gun itself?

You seem to want to have it both ways. Was Klein’s lying to its customers when it said they could order a 36-inch rifle?

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And I always get a kick out of the conspiracy mongers who like to prop up Mitchell Westra's statement about Klein's never putting scopes on the 40-inch rifles. The CTers will always, invariably, leave out the part of Westra's statement where he says this: "Undoubtably Klein's mounted some..."

What made it “undoubtable” other than the government telling him that he must have? And ignoring Dial Ryder’s account?

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With respect to the conspiracy theorists' persistent claim that Klein's Sporting Goods never mounted scopes on their 40-inch Italian Carcano rifles, THIS NOVEMBER 2013 ARTICLE goes a long way toward debunking such a notion, because in that article, the gunsmith who worked in the Klein's warehouse in 1963, William H. Sharp, said that he told his boss right after the assassination in 1963: “It’s my rifle, I put the scope on it”.

LN-ers always appeal to 50-year-old memories when it suits them.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2020, 08:46:02 PM by John Iacoletti »

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2020, 09:10:13 PM »
Feel free to actually contribute something relevant.

Pretty sure Oswald is relevant