Is Jim DiEugenio correct about Oswalds rifle?

[John Tonkovich]

Klein's was still advertising the 36" rifle in the July 1963 issue of Guns Magazine.

Thank you, Mr I.

[David Von Pein]

Klein's was still advertising the 36" rifle in the July 1963 issue of Guns Magazine.

Yes. You're correct. I just confirmed for myself that "Guns" Magazine was, indeed, still advertising the 36-inch Italian Carbine as late as July of 1963:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13ExPXlaXgXv2_0n_nXwVZMnQrUFMgpvH/view

In the August '63 issue of "Guns", they started advertising the 40-inch version of the rifle:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e8gnIUrcK2F1J7bjwAOPMmUmSST5zg8r/view

It would be interesting to know if customers who ordered Carcano rifles from Klein's while using "Guns" Magazine mail-order coupons from February through July of '63 received a 36-inch gun or, like Lee Oswald, a 40-inch gun. That is something, though, we will likely never be able to ascertain.

If only David Belin had asked Klein's Vice President William Waldman this question when Waldman was testifying in front of the Warren Commission on May 20, 1964 (which was not asked):

Mr. Waldman, can you explain to us why it is that Lee Harvey Oswald (aka A. Hidell) ordered a 36-inch gun from your company (according to the mail-in coupon that he sent to Klein's in March of 1963), but the rifle you ultimately shipped to him one week later was a 40.2-inch gun? Can you tell us why that discrepancy exists in this case?

I would have enjoyed hearing Mr. Waldman's answer to the above question. I'm confident it would have been a very reasonable and acceptable answer too. (Conspiracy theorists undoubtedly would disagree.)

[Mark A. Oblazney]

Yes. You're correct. I just confirmed for myself that "Guns" Magazine was, indeed, still advertising the 36-inch Italian Carbine as late as July of 1963:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13ExPXlaXgXv2_0n_nXwVZMnQrUFMgpvH/view

In the August '63 issue of "Guns", they started advertising the 40-inch version of the rifle:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e8gnIUrcK2F1J7bjwAOPMmUmSST5zg8r/view

It would be interesting to know if customers who ordered Carcano rifles from Klein's while using "Guns" Magazine mail-order coupons from February through July of '63 received a 36-inch gun or, like Lee Oswald, a 40-inch gun. That is something, though, we will likely never be able to ascertain.

If only David Belin had asked Klein's Vice President William Waldman this question when Waldman was testifying in front of the Warren Commission on May 20, 1964 (which was not asked):

Mr. Waldman, can you explain to us why it is that Lee Harvey Oswald (aka A. Hidell) ordered a 36-inch gun from your company (according to the mail-in coupon that he sent to Klein's in March of 1963), but the rifle you ultimately shipped to him one week later was a 40.2-inch gun? Can you tell us why that discrepancy exists in this case?

I would have enjoyed hearing Mr. Waldman's answer to the above question. I'm confident it would have been a very reasonable and acceptable answer too. (Conspiracy theorists undoubtedly would disagree.)

How long were those curtain rods supposed to be again, Dave?  LOL

[John Iacoletti]

It would be interesting to know if customers who ordered Carcano rifles from Klein's while using "Guns" Magazine mail-order coupons from February through July of '63 received a 36-inch gun or, like Lee Oswald, a 40-inch gun. That is something, though, we will likely never be able to ascertain.

You haven't even ascertained that Oswald received anything.

Also, Mitchell Westra told the HSCA that Klein's did not mount scopes on the 40-inch rifles.

[David Von Pein]

You haven't even ascertained that Oswald received anything.

That's the rabid conspiracy theorist in you talking. It's certainly not the "reasonable person named John Iacoletti who has looked at all the evidence" speaking.

Oswald sent Klein's $21.45. And Klein's sent Oswald (Hidell) the C2766 rifle just a few days later. The paperwork, confirmed by Bill Waldman, proves those two facts. So, what are the odds that Oswald really received nothing at all from Klein's?

Also, Mitchell Westra told the HSCA that Klein's did not mount scopes on the 40-inch rifles.

To say that Klein's never mounted scopes on its 40-inch rifles is practically the same as totally ignoring all of the many ads that Klein's Sporting Goods was placing in magazines in mid to late 1963. Was Klein's lying to its mail-order customers when it said that a customer could purchase a 40-inch carbine with scope ("as illustrated") -- i.e., the scope is attached to the gun itself?

And I always get a kick out of the conspiracy mongers who like to prop up Mitchell Westra's statement about Klein's never putting scopes on the 40-inch rifles. The CTers will always, invariably, leave out the part of Westra's statement where he says this: "Undoubtably Klein's mounted some..."

Also....

With respect to the conspiracy theorists' persistent claim that Klein's Sporting Goods never mounted scopes on their 40-inch Italian Carcano rifles, THIS NOVEMBER 2013 ARTICLE goes a long way toward debunking such a notion, because in that article, the gunsmith who worked in the Klein's warehouse in 1963, William H. Sharp, said that he told his boss right after the assassination in 1963: “It’s my rifle, I put the scope on it”.

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2017/03/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1238.html

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/01/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-591.html

[John Tonkovich]

That's the rabid conspiracy theorist in you talking. It's certainly not the "reasonable person named John Iacoletti who has looked at all the evidence" speaking.

Oswald sent Klein's $21.45. And Klein's sent Oswald (Hidell) the C2766 rifle just a few days later. The paperwork, confirmed by Bill Waldman, proves those two facts. So, what are the odds that Oswald really received nothing at all from Klein's?


To say that Klein's never mounted scopes on its 40-inch rifles is practically the same as totally ignoring all of the many ads that Klein's Sporting Goods was placing in magazines in mid to late 1963. Was Klein's lying to its mail-order customers when it said that a customer could purchase a 40-inch carbine with scope ("as illustrated") -- i.e., the scope is attached to the gun itself?

And I always get a kick out of the conspiracy mongers who like to prop up Mitchell Westra's statement about Klein's never putting scopes on the 40-inch rifles. The CTers will always, invariably, leave out the part of Westra's statement where he says this: "Undoubtably Klein's mounted some..."

Also....

With respect to the conspiracy theorists' persistent claim that Klein's Sporting Goods never mounted scopes on their 40-inch Italian Carcano rifles, THIS NOVEMBER 2013 ARTICLE goes a long way toward debunking such a notion, because in that article, the gunsmith who worked in the Klein's warehouse in 1963, William H. Sharp, said that he told his boss right after the assassination in 1963: “It’s my rifle, I put the scope on it”.

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2017/03/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1238.html

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/01/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-591.html

Always with the ad hominem, Mr Von Pein.
" rabid conspiracy  theorists"
" conspiracy mongers"

Very mature.

[Jerry Freeman]

Always with the ad hominem, Mr Von Pein.
" rabid conspiracy  theorists"
" conspiracy mongers"

Very mature.

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