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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1792 on: September 25, 2020, 09:15:46 PM »
Is there some evidence that these changes designed to keep non-ignorant people from being disenfranchised during a deadly pandemic constitute anything fraudulent or even any greater likelihood of fraud?

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1793 on: September 26, 2020, 12:42:01 AM »
Hilarious! For two reasons; (1) the majority of these states are under Republican control (the states with their name in bold in your quote have Republican governors), yet you try the blame the Democrats and (2) I didn't ask you what the states are doing. I asked you what rules or laws were broken or changed to do it and who broke or changed them?

LOL.  Idiot.  You claimed there were "no changes."  Those are all changes made for the upcoming election.  Beg forgiveness either for your ignorance or outright lie. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1794 on: September 26, 2020, 12:52:15 AM »
Richard Smith:
We're in the midst of a pandemic, where 200,000+ people have died, and thousands are dealing with lingering medical issues post infection. Voting in person, at this time, is a legitimate health risk. So, appropriate steps are being taken to minimize further spreading of the virus.
Additionally, several states have had vote by mail procedures in place, long before the pandemic.
As an American, why are you speaking out against your fellow Americans who are trying to participate in the voting process and simultaneously trying to avoid infecting others, and/or not becoming infected themselves?

So you can have an abortion or go to Walmart but can't vote or go to work, school, or church.  Got it.  The point is obvious.  You can't change the rules at the last minute in a nationwide election to impact potentially millions of votes.  That will create chaos.  Ballots will be challenged by both side.  Courts in different places will create different standards subject to endless appeals from both sides.  This doesn't just affect Trump.  It will affect any democrat that is elected by casting doubt on the process and undermining the legitimacy of their presidency.  If Hiden is elected, then so be it.  Why create a situation in which there is doubt as to the results?  He is ahead in the polls. So let people vote the same way they go to the grocery store.   
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1795 on: September 26, 2020, 01:26:54 AM »
LOL.  Idiot.  You claimed there were "no changes."  Those are all changes made for the upcoming election.  Beg forgiveness either for your ignorance or outright lie.

You still haven't explained what changes were made or what rules were changed. Understandable because you can't. What it really comes down to is that Trump and idiots like you just don't like the existing laws.

When something is allowed by law, there are no changes. Just compliance with and application of existing law. You don't like that? Change the law... but stop whining. It's pathetic.

Is this above your head?

Btw, have you figured out why so many Republican Governors are on your list of so-called "changes"? They really must dislike Trump, don't you think?
« Last Edit: September 26, 2020, 01:51:01 AM by Martin Weidmann »

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1796 on: September 26, 2020, 01:37:49 AM »
So you can have an abortion or go to Walmart but can't vote or go to work, school, or church.  Got it.  The point is obvious.  You can't change the rules at the last minute in a nationwide election to impact potentially millions of votes.  That will create chaos.  Ballots will be challenged by both side.  Courts in different places will create different standards subject to endless appeals from both sides.  This doesn't just affect Trump.  It will affect any democrat that is elected by casting doubt on the process and undermining the legitimacy of their presidency.  If Hiden is elected, then so be it.  Why create a situation in which there is doubt as to the results?  He is ahead in the polls. So let people vote the same way they go to the grocery store.   

You can't change the rules at the last minute in a nationwide election to impact potentially millions of votes. 

More of the same crap. There were no last minute changes to anything. Mail in voting is allowed by law and has been for a long time. Trump has been complaining about these so-called "changes" for months, when there is nothing to complain about. There is not a shred of evidence to support his bogus claim that mail in voting is fraudulent.

So let people vote the same way they go to the grocery store.   

And that's exactly what this is all about. Eliminate as many people as possible, who don't want to vote in person but would and will vote by mail because of the pandemic. It's not about fraud, it's about Trump wanting to limit the number of people voting to a minimum, because he figures that's the only way he can win.

And there won't be doubt about the results when Biden wins by a landslide. The only person who is trying to create doubt is the moron you support.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2020, 01:40:08 AM by Martin Weidmann »

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1797 on: September 26, 2020, 01:51:38 AM »
The United States is 7th in the world in per capita deaths from Covid19.
That's out of 180 countries listed on the chart I found. Your mileage may vary.
Odd, that the richest country in the world is far less effective in prevention and management of a pandemic, while the majority of so called " third world" countries are far more successful.

Mr Crow, who lives somewhere " down under" could perhaps chime in as to his country's per capita death rate. ( I believe that AU and NZ had strict lockdowns, mask rules, contact tracing, etc., yes, the gubment done took away their freedoms.)

As a quick comparison, my city to Travis county Texas as they have almost equivalent populations.

Travis county total cases 29073, ours 468. Travis county deaths 420, ours 4.

Our restrictions were not particularly severe. We had no mandatory mask wearing here and it was not prevalent. There were travel restrictions between states and some still exist. Victoria had an outbreak a few months ago and had increased restrictions including masks and curfew. Their total cases now down to less than 20 daily. Kids have generally been back at schools for months. Apart from travel restrictions and a bit of voluntary social distancing life pretty much normal for a few months here.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2020, 01:52:17 AM by Colin Crow »

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1798 on: September 26, 2020, 07:10:23 AM »
So you can have an abortion or go to Walmart but can't vote or go to work, school, or church.  Got it.  The point is obvious. 

It certainly is. The point is that Strawman “Smith” also makes false equivalencies. Here’s a hint: large groups of people congregating in close proximity for long periods of time.

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You can't change the rules at the last minute in a nationwide election to impact potentially millions of votes.  That will create chaos. 

Says who? Trump? He creates chaos just by opening his mouth.

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Ballots will be challenged by both side.  Courts in different places will create different standards subject to endless appeals from both sides. 

States have always had the ability to have different rules and standards. Some states do all their voting by mail, and have been for a long time.

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This doesn't just affect Trump.  It will affect any democrat that is elected by casting doubt on the process and undermining the legitimacy of their presidency.

The only ones casting doubt are Trump and his sycophants, because they know they’re losing.